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hno:.....Somebody be in trouble.;+)-
hno:.....Somebody be in trouble.;+)-
I hope youse know I'm just playing Harry
stirring the pot a little
waiting to win my last game of the day
Here in St. Louis a bunch of fans are blaming the Astros and Luhnow for taking the Cardinal's proprietary system. The Cardinal's employees that did this got busted and are guilty. Breaking into the Astro's computer program using Luhnow's old passwords with their computers at home was as idiotic as comical. The question here is are these "rogue" employees or are they carrying out orders from higher ups? I do know in the end Luhnow was disliked by many in the Cardinal's front office including Jocketty and Larussa and many didn't care for the way he self-promoted himself in the organization. It may be just some front office personnel trying to pull some revenge or stunt against Luhnow. Whatever reason it was wrong and stupid. The Feds have unlimited resources and will get the answers they want. The question is what will the commissioner do? From what I understand from the CBA they can't take draft choices and money is no punishment for a franchise that annually tops three million fans a year.
I thought the title was intended to compare apples to apples not to persecute the Patriots. For example if one thinks the Patriots cheated, they'd think that what the Cards did was also cheating. If you don't think the Patriots cheated, you also wouldn't think the Cards cheated. I think that's what was meant, that what the Cards did was on that fine line.
1) of course the title is going to draw Pats' fans into the discussion
2) I would suggest the Patriots reference is begging the question
3) The Patriots were not accused of breaking and federal laws
4) I dislike our federal government getting involved in sports (then again, I dislike them getting involved in anything). I always thought the congressional hearings on steroids was a fucking joke (although breaking a federal law would be a tad bit different)
5) the one thing these two programs have in common is WINNING despite turnover
2) I would suggest the Patriots reference is begging the question
3) The Patriots were not accused of breaking and federal laws
4) I dislike our federal government getting involved in sports (then again, I dislike them getting involved in anything). I always thought the congressional hearings on steroids was a fucking joke (although breaking a federal law would be a tad bit different)
5) the one thing these two programs have in common is WINNING despite turnover
I'm sorry to burst your egocentric bubble, but the world doesn't revolve around the New England Patriots. Nobody is staying up late at night concocting schemes with which we can persecute your misunderstood and much-maligned fan base.
Can we please fucking drop it and discuss the topic at hand?
They brought in larussa and mcgwire - the two kingpins of steroid abuse. Signed Peralta after he was damn near banned for roids. Pujols was blatant juicer. Yadi looks like a cancer patient since he got clean.
Then there's the sign stealing issue and now this.
Cheating motherfuckers.
Someone is doing fed time over this. It'll be a bigger story as it unravels.
Then there's the sign stealing issue and now this.
Cheating motherfuckers.
Someone is doing fed time over this. It'll be a bigger story as it unravels.
c'mon Harry, you chose your words for a purpose, stop pretending otherwise
and since the Patriots were never investigated for breaking federal laws, your analogy doesn't fly
Jesus fucking Christ you're just DYING to make this about you aren't you?
OK, yes, I chose those words to needle Patriots fans. Does that make you feel better? Vindicated?
This thread was supposed to be about the Cardinals, a team I hate. Not the Patriots, a team I like. Well, at least used to like until I found this forum.
Cardinals Hack Was Worse Than We Thought, Punishment Should Be Forthcoming
You can read the indictment against Correa here, which includes some far more damning allegations than we’d heard previously. According to federal investigators, Correa accessed the Astros’ internal database multiple times over the course of more than a year. That included accessing and filtering Astros player evaluations during the 2013 draft and on Trade Deadline day in 2013.
Part of the floated defense for why Correa/the Cardinals were looking at Astros materials was to see if former Cardinals exec Jeff Luhnow had taken proprietary information with him to the Astros, and these facts make that look pretty implausible. It just so happened that Correa was looking for stolen proprietary information during the draft and at the Trade Deadline? I think not. Those were incursions designed to access useful information and gain an edge, which also makes it hard for me to believe that Correa acted entirely by himself, and the Cardinals benefitted in no way from the information he gleaned.Worse for Correa, when the security of the Astros’ system was questioned in a news article in early 2014, and the team thereafter emailed employees with instructions about the new location of the database and how to access it, Correa hacked into an Astros employee’s email and used it to re-access the internal Astros database.
These are serious offenses, criminally speaking, and Correa is likely to face significant fines and/or time in prison.
You can read the indictment against Correa here, which includes some far more damning allegations than we’d heard previously. According to federal investigators, Correa accessed the Astros’ internal database multiple times over the course of more than a year. That included accessing and filtering Astros player evaluations during the 2013 draft and on Trade Deadline day in 2013.
Part of the floated defense for why Correa/the Cardinals were looking at Astros materials was to see if former Cardinals exec Jeff Luhnow had taken proprietary information with him to the Astros, and these facts make that look pretty implausible. It just so happened that Correa was looking for stolen proprietary information during the draft and at the Trade Deadline? I think not. Those were incursions designed to access useful information and gain an edge, which also makes it hard for me to believe that Correa acted entirely by himself, and the Cardinals benefitted in no way from the information he gleaned.Worse for Correa, when the security of the Astros’ system was questioned in a news article in early 2014, and the team thereafter emailed employees with instructions about the new location of the database and how to access it, Correa hacked into an Astros employee’s email and used it to re-access the internal Astros database.
These are serious offenses, criminally speaking, and Correa is likely to face significant fines and/or time in prison.
