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[bigugly]

I have an account there and did just that. I asked him. I was satisfied with the answer and I do not believe it is a deceptive technique. Those that have a "cup half full" mentality perhaps could view things in this way, but if you understand what they have done there is really nothing to view that is deceptive...you just perhaps don't understand. If something isn't working just right and a change is made...why is this a bait and switch. It is a switch top a more profitable way.


You speak of the Bait and switch lsat year...what happened when the switch was made? I will answer...profit! Look at what happened with the new format they used, the profits turned out very nicely. Heck, they ended the year with over 70% correct picks...what is wrong with that?

I made money there!

Perhaps before slanderously making statements about services, why not just ask the source and get the facts first. Dont you think it is deserved?

They earned your trust to signup do you not think that the same trust can be given to make profitable adjustments as well...AS THEY HAVE SHOWN TO BE ABLE TO DO IN THE PAST?

They have won 11 games and lost 4. SOunds like to me they are headed in a great direction.

JMO!!

So what kind of response did you get? I'm not really asking, though, because it's pretty obvious you are a shill.

There is no good defense for going back in time and adjusting past bets are already made. Just like you can't take the RL in real life, and then call up the book and say you really just wanted all your units on the ML and they should change it for you. PLUSLINE is obviously full of shit. I think it's sad you don't have a problem scamming people out of their money.

 

[bigugly]

And the "fine print" annotation on the bottom of the records doesn't make this OK.

 

[WatchingNWaiting]

So what kind of response did you get? I'm not really asking, though, because it's pretty obvious you are a shill.

There is no good defense for going back in time and adjusting past bets are already made. Just like you can't take the RL in real life, and then call up the book and say you really just wanted all your units on the ML and they should change it for you. PLUSLINE is obviously full of shit. I think it's sad you don't have a problem scamming people out of their money.

what is a shill

 

[Hip2Bsq]

todays pick makes no sense according to how they pick games..

I agree, Padilla has been having tightness in his forearm. I will most likely play 1 unit on the ML. Watch Texas win by 2 because they crush leftys at Arlington.

But there selection process is not the same as last year, as the Phillies would probably be the best selection again for today.

 

[WatchingNWaiting]

I agree, Padilla has been having tightness in his forearm. I will most likely play 1 unit on the ML. Watch Texas win by 2 because they crush leftys at Arlington.

But there selection process is not the same as last year, as the Phillies would probably be the best selection again for today.

Ahhhhhh....

So you are saying Texas is their pick for today? Hmmmm Hip2Bsq?

Are you S-U-R-E that is what you are saying??

 

[fraser411]

I have an account there and did just that. I asked him. I was satisfied with the answer and I do not believe it is a deceptive technique. Those that have a "cup half full" mentality perhaps could view things in this way, but if you understand what they have done there is really nothing to view that is deceptive...you just perhaps don't understand. If something isn't working just right and a change is made...why is this a bait and switch. It is a switch top a more profitable way.


You speak of the Bait and switch lsat year...what happened when the switch was made? I will answer...profit! Look at what happened with the new format they used, the profits turned out very nicely. Heck, they ended the year with over 70% correct picks...what is wrong with that?

I made money there!

Perhaps before slanderously making statements about services, why not just ask the source and get the facts first. Dont you think it is deserved?

They earned your trust to signup do you not think that the same trust can be given to make profitable adjustments as well...AS THEY HAVE SHOWN TO BE ABLE TO DO IN THE PAST?

They have won 11 games and lost 4. SOunds like to me they are headed in a great direction.

JMO!!

What I am saying is that they are 11 -4. They are up about $30 dollars. They are not losing money. Spooks posted that they have posted at their website that they are up almost $1000. That is not true. If the new system were in effect at the beginning of the season, someone may be up $1000, but non of us are. Just like last year, if they did change their way of dealing games, great, but they cannot take credit for winning money that was not won.

Slander my ass!!! I pay for their service and I am not playing any more plays until I see they are playing fairly.

I have smelled a rat ever since I heard of the 66/33 system. Now they dump it less than a month into the season.

Why do not they just post that if you played against all their losers, you would have won every wager made. That is a true statement.

These people are spindoctors trying to con everyone out of their money promising results that are unattainable. 11-4 and barely breaking even.

They need to fix the system because they cannot maintain that winning percentage if they are going to play favorites like the team tonight that is a medium priced favorite.

No slander here. I know they did not win what they posted last year!!!!

I know they are not up $1000 now!!!!

How 'bout them apples, Big Boy!!!!

I hope they win you a lot of money.

 

[WatchingNWaiting]

What I am saying is that they are 11 -4. They are up about $30 dollars. They are not losing money. Spooks posted that they have posted at their website that they are up almost $1000. That is not true. If the new system were in effect at the beginning of the season, someone may be up $1000, but non of us are. Just like last year, if they did change their way of dealing games, great, but they cannot take credit for winning money that was not won.

Slander my ass!!! I pay for their service and I am not playing any more plays until I see they are playing fairly.

I have smelled a rat ever since I heard of the 66/33 system. Now they dump it less than a month into the season.

Why do not they just post that if you played against all their losers, you would have won every wager made. That is a true statement.

These people are spindoctors trying to con everyone out of their money promising results that are unattainable. 11-4 and barely breaking even.

They need to fix the system because they cannot maintain that winning percentage if they are going to play favorites like the team tonight that is a medium priced favorite.

No slander here. I know they did not win what they posted last year!!!!

I know they are not up $1000 now!!!!

How 'bout them apples, Big Boy!!!!

I hope they win you a lot of money.

Again, wrong information. Where does it say they have dumped their system? What they said is that adjustments haved been made where they will use it but also use some games as runline only. Ok, they have won 11 and lost 4 moneyline. The average odds look to be about -155 counting the game tonight. At 11-4 do you not see that money is to be made, or do you proactice some math techniques similar to yor inacurate forum posts where you just make sh*t up as you go??

 

[bigugly]

what is a shill

Either you're playing dumb because you're a shill, or you're just a dumb shill...but let me help you out.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+a+shill?


So why don't you get your shill ass out of here and take your bullshit scam elsewhere. Everything you're typing is pure shit.

It's called HONESTY. INTEGRITY. PLUSLINE doesn't have that. You can come post all the bullshit you want, but the fact is that ....

A) PLUSLINE TOLD THEIR CLIENTS TO BET EACH PLAY A CERTAIN WAY...

B) DECIDED TO GO BACK IN TIME AND REMOVE RUN-LINE PLAY LOSERS

That's all there is to it.

 

[WatchingNWaiting]

Either you're playing dumb because you're a shill, or you're just a dumb shill...but let me help you out.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+a+shill?


So why don't you get your shill ass out of here and take your bullshit scam elsewhere. Everything you're typing is pure shit.

It's called HONESTY. INTEGRITY. PLUSLINE doesn't have that. You can come post all the bullshit you want, but the fact is that ....

A) PLUSLINE TOLD THEIR CLIENTS TO BET EACH PLAY A CERTAIN WAY...

B) DECIDED TO GO BACK IN TIME AND REMOVE RUN-LINE PLAY LOSERS

That's all there is to it.

oh ok. Be talking to ya soon...

You have a nice night now ya hear....

sleep tight and don't let the bed bugs bite!!

 

[jrk]

Guys got a point, why go back and change. Start from the day you started the new system. We can't take back the losses why should they. That's just bullshit. This isn't even a debate.hno:

 

[mrstein]

I would assume that somebody on here played with them last season to back up their claim that they were up that kind of money.

With all due respect I do find it a bit hard to beilive that Frank B would run a scam tout service I mean he has been all over the internet with Bookiebuster for years.

Why would he ruin his name on Plus line ??????

Keep in mind I am outsider looking in.........It would not make sense to me at all.

I just figured that had a good service they always respond very quickly with E-mails. At least that is a good sign.

Most scam touts never get back to you for anything.

They do note in their games up till April 28th that runline was a lost at -374 and ml + 423 I think.

Here is the thing, its tough to make money in MLB I still think they could come thru..........Its a Very long season indeed.

AM I WRONG ?????

 

[WatchingNWaiting]

I have had ongoing email communication with these guys and after asking a few questions here is my determination..

The first thing that must be said is that the old(previous version) is still on the information file. It is a tab on their excel file called (previous version). all you have to do is click there. It is very simple

The fact is that the negative posters in this thread are completely off base in their comments. In my view and comparison with what I show from my account there has been no "elimination" of the plays in the information they have on the site. what I don't think everyone is understanding is that they have the same teams shown, as well as the moneyline result. It does not show the runline results of a past system because the past system is not one that will use the runline in every game going forward. The information now there reflects what will be used in the future which is a combination of the runline AND moneyline but they will not always be used for every game as in the past.. The information that is shown is accurate from what math I see. The explanation is that this is now used in a different manner to show a different process. It is not intended to be what it was previously so why should it show duplicated information? Some people seem to be so caught up in thinking that it is supposed to be the same information is just simply not getting the point. IT IS NOT FOR THE SAME PURPOSE. What the folks are doing is simply creating a piece of information that depicts the outcome if certain criteria had been used using the same picks. They show on the bottom what the previous result was so they are telling others that "hey, we see that we are picking the games well but the wager placement method is not producung the profits that we want and we see the need for a change in the way we place these wagers, and here is what the results are using that new criteria we see as most profitable". We got an email from them explaining all of this. The freaking people have picked the winners of 73% of their games out of the 15 they have so far for the season. And the odds on the games are at a level to where it produces actually a good profit. What is the issue? Is there actually people that just cannot get out of the bubble and understand what this is attempting to show? I think if they were going to be dishonest they would have just made some changes, not explained anything, not sent emails to their customers, and not listed the results of the previous wager version at the bottom to their customers. Also they would have put in all fake plays and made up the wins and losses. It simply is not what has happened. They have taken the same plays and are showing that "ok, we see that we have picked some great plays, but the runline is killing us in certain situations, so we are adjusting to a new way of doing things and here is what we see using the new format for the same plays". If there is anyone that understands excel then all you have to do is to go at the top of the information and look on the columns. you can easily expand all of the columns to view the entire thing that shows more information with possibly further details to help aid in the understanding. It appears to me that some of the columns are collapsed to make it easier to see the end results of the new information. If people cannot have an appreciation for an orgnization that continually reviews its results and is willing to make changes based on a current business climate then what good is it? I was there last season. The runline started slow and they converted to another format. They did not go back and change the teams they picked, nor have they done it here this season. They simply have monitored their performance, made adjustments, and are moving forward with an adjusted business plan that they feel is more profitable based on what they are seeing within the sport, and the information you now see on the information file is showing people those adjustments that have been made as information to support their actions.

ALSO, THERE IS A TAB on the file that shows all of the information using the previous version so that they are showing full disclosure of everytthing on this information file. There simply is nothing "hidden" from this group. Sure you have to use your eyes and open up the tab, but so what? Is that so hard to do? It is on the bottom and is called previous version results.

If they continue to pick the games at a 73% win rate using the odds that I see for the picks thus far, hell..they will be one of the most profitable out there!

Good Luck to everyone who uses this service.

 

[spooks]

I assume you are Frank's partner James?

 

[WatchingNWaiting]

I assume you are Frank's partner James?

It was James that I emailed, yes this is where I got my answers.

 

[mrstein]

Here is the bottom line to the whole thing.

Hopefully over the entire 2009 MLB season plusline will be in profit for their members.

At this point in time I cannot see why they wont come out ahead,If they are legit and made money last season for everyone I dont see any reason why the wouldnt for this season.

Granted maybe some of their play so far for the year have been a bit questionable however when anyone person signs up for a service Its best you dont have an opinion and let the service do what you paid them for ??????

As long as at the end of the day Everyone comes out ahead who cares how they got there...................

Stein

 

[bigugly]

Yeah...after just 15 bets they suddenly had an epiphany that they were just wagering incorrectly on the game.

That tab with that information was not there yesterday. You must have been busy working on that last night.

However you try to justify it, to go back and take run-line losers away is deceptive. I'm not so sure that they will the real results they earned for their customers will be represented later on this year, or even next year when they boast about their profits. Only a shill or a fanboy (which I'm sure plusline has none) would think it's OK to misrepresent information.

Plusline needs to be monitored somewhere. No more taking losers away.

 

[WatchingNWaiting]

Yeah...after just 15 bets they suddenly had an epiphany that they were just wagering incorrectly on the game.

That tab with that information was not there yesterday. You must have been busy working on that last night.

However you try to justify it, to go back and take run-line losers away is deceptive. I'm not so sure that they will the real results they earned for their customers will be represented later on this year, or even next year when they boast about their profits. Only a shill or a fanboy (which I'm sure plusline has none) would think it's OK to misrepresent information.

Plusline needs to be monitored somewhere. No more taking losers away.

The losers werent taken away and nothing has changed. The file is still there and shows it all. When you updating a file it is not possible to snap ones fingers and all changes suddenly appear. There is a beginning and an end to any update that is imposed on any project. Perhaps if one wasn't so quick to rush to judge others one might be able to see things from an objective view AFTER all of the information had been presented.

NOTHING HAS BEEN REMOVED. THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE

 

[bigugly]

Whatever you say. Good luck with your service.

 

[WatchingNWaiting]

Whatever you say. Good luck with your service.

Thanks! Nice user name....
does it accurately describe you?

 

[bigugly]

No, but it accurately describes my gf.

Congratulations on your first post not about PLUSLINE SPORTS on this forum.