Well put
One of the best lines ever in Star Trek, and one otherwise smart people would be wise to digest:
Abrom: She lived for five hours, while they walked past her. And spat on her. Our own people were unable to help her. Now you ask me to... help strangers.
Isak: If we adopt the ways of the Nazis... we're as bad as the Nazis.
statements like this are overboard and not mainstream at worst, make most people feel uncomfortable at best. It's why Trump will torpedo himself, even when Americans clearly want to shake things up in DC, he may make himself out to be too radical.
the way we're living our lives proves we're not scared, that's a false narrative.
We're attending sporting events, plays, concerts..........
We're shopping for the Christmas Season
We're eating out and traveling, nothing has been canceled, we're doing what we do. The narrative you're selling is very much like the-least-prepared-man-in-the-room's poppycock
What we want is leadership, we want the lies to stop, we want the idiocy to stop, we want to stop being sold a package of intellectually dishonest bullshit because all our lazy aloof leader cares about is perception and the polls
We want real leadership in a real international crisis.
Now, I want you to do another exercise. Take your map, start from scratch, color in Germany and Italy and Japan and get back to me. PS: don't forget the oceans. Your argument is very similar to those being made in the 1930's. We know how that all turned out.
You can't just ignore evil people with evil intent, they won't go away by themselves.
I'm also not from the school of thought that thinks American lives are more important than lives world wide. Look how many people evil souls have killed in itsy bitsy tiny little countries like Cambodia and Uganda and several other third world countries. We can do better, we must do better, we can't ignore deplorable acts against mankind. You're not a better man for doing such, contrary to what many tell themselves.
Defying my friend, my boots are on the ground, the economy is awful, business owners are concerned (and pissed). Real wages are down, families disposable incomes are down, good jobs are scarce.
1) The economy is going through the longest period of economic malaise since the great depression, growth has been anemic for 7 years now. We're experiencing the worst post recession recovery since the great depression. Now the country always goes through recessions, people survive them and things turn around. But the 7 year stench is a different story, lives and jobs and businesses and homes have been lost.
2) The stock market has nothing to do with economic strength (I didn't realize this until recently). But while the economy grows at an anemic pace, maybe 1/2 to 2% per year, the market surges, how can that be? Companies are making more money, in large part because they cut their workforce and they're slow to hire people. Furthermore, they're hoarding cash. Cash and profits drive the market, not the economy. (and they're reluctant to spend money because of all the uncertainty on the domestic and international front)
3) The unemployment rate is lower because the labor participation rate remains at historic lows. The LPR reflects the number of Americans in the work force. If the LPR today was the same as it was when Obama took office, the unemployment rate would be closer to 10%
No my friend, things are not good, although we're not at our lows either. Maybe the fact that you reside in the beltway (if you still do) masks all of that. You see growth in bureaucratic jobs is strong.
No biggie everyone has their own opinion
The bottom line is when the safety & fate of the rest of the world is at stake against an enemy that you have to kill or be killed, then sacrifices must be made.
Even those Muslims who dont act out their thoughts still believe in them.
They don't think like most human beings.
As for eliminating the problem altogether. ..
Innocent people have always had to die for a better cause.
Im pretty sure 25-50 years from now when your kids or grandchildren can't walk down the street without fear of being blown up or kidnapped & their head cut off by Muslims right in their own neighborhood, you guys will change your mind, but it will be too late.
No offense but I'm baffled by anyone who sides with Muslims in general over the REST OF THE WORLD.
This is the 3rd time I've used this example, but it fits...
If the city of New York is infected with virus that threatens the existence if mankind, and is spreading so rapidly that it would it would spread across the complete U.S. & world in a matter of weeks, then what would be done to stop it?
They would merely eliminate the disease, and yes even have to sacrifice those who are yet to be infected, by destroying the city so there is no more threat to mankind & save the world.
Some will say it's not an accurate comparison but yes it pretty much is.
My sister in law's husband is Muslim & he understands completely why the rest of the world now considers them the enemy.
Some people want to save the Muslims.
The rest of us want to save the World...
The people who "radicalized" the California shooters have declared war.
The people who have declared war have openly said they plan to exploit America's weak visa system to send more jihadists to America.
Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
If you think you are witnessing "Islamaphobia" then words have no meaning.
By the way, federal law already stipulates that Communists are banned from receiving Visas to come to America.
Any immigrant who is or has been a member of or affiliated with the Communist or any other totalitarian party (or subdivision or affiliate thereof), domestic or foreign, is inadmissible.
The idea that what Trump is saying is some big outrage is silly.
Any immigrant who is or has been a member of or affiliated with the Communist or any other totalitarian party (or subdivision or affiliate thereof), domestic or foreign, is inadmissible.
The idea that what Trump is saying is some big outrage is silly.
And that's only the few willing to admit it & be honest about it.
I'm being serious when i say there has to be something in their DNA that makes them think inhuman & so differently than the rest of the people in this world...
How would those who argue you can't treat all Muslims the same like to play this game....
You have 3 doors.
Door 1
Door 2
Door 3
Behind one door you have a new lamborghini car
Behind another door you have a new $500,000 home
Behind another door you have a Muslim with a weapon who will end your immediately if you choose the door he's hiding behind
Do you want to continue playing the game or say no thanks I'm not taking that chance?
Well thats the game you're playing when you pick & choose certain Muslims to trust.
Most of us here are gamblers but you're taking the biggest gamble of not only your life, but your families & everyone else's lives, by supporting Muslims' entrance into this country...
You have 3 doors.
Door 1
Door 2
Door 3
Behind one door you have a new lamborghini car
Behind another door you have a new $500,000 home
Behind another door you have a Muslim with a weapon who will end your immediately if you choose the door he's hiding behind
Do you want to continue playing the game or say no thanks I'm not taking that chance?
Well thats the game you're playing when you pick & choose certain Muslims to trust.
Most of us here are gamblers but you're taking the biggest gamble of not only your life, but your families & everyone else's lives, by supporting Muslims' entrance into this country...
Grog (and maybe others) seem offended by many of us who share the same opinion.
Please know that we do understand that there are good Muslim people out there.
But just try to comprehend the rest of the world's position.
This is bigger than a simple race argument where for example just because some white, black, hispanic, asian, etc. ppl are racist but most are not.
This is much bigger.
This is not a debate about race.
This is life & death...
Please know that we do understand that there are good Muslim people out there.
But just try to comprehend the rest of the world's position.
This is bigger than a simple race argument where for example just because some white, black, hispanic, asian, etc. ppl are racist but most are not.
This is much bigger.
This is not a debate about race.
This is life & death...
Judaism is/compatible with Western society, Islam is not! Jews would take in other Jews proving their humanity, Muslims do not!
Chamberlain said the same thing about Germans, only a few are radical! How did that turn out! Liberals need a lesson in math, 10-15% of Muslims being radical equals 220-300 million people! Again "only" 8.5 million Germans were Nazis!
Anymore Nazi references!?!?!
