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Che was on the side of the innocents. We were backing the slaughterers.
 

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never said i idolized che. said i respected what he stood for. with the way the US is now, che would've won by a landslide.


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Not even a snowball's chance in hell. That's akin to saying some 5 year old T-Ball team would win the World Series, and believing it.
 

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The Weebublicans are the bad guyz, and Democrats are shining Knights.

This is the type of thinking the Democratic Party actually relies on. That and 96% of the African American vote along with 75% of the vote of those making less than 15k.

You know, the movers and the shakers of this world.
 

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You respect slaughtering innocent people?

Many Americans demonstrate strong respect for the slaughter of innocents.

For a recent summary, reefer back to the millions of Americans who stood and applauded the US military killings of thousands during Shock & Awe.
 

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Or Hiroshima / Nagasaki

They attacked our military we killed their children. Sure, that makes sense.
 

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I've been one to give a slight nod to the USA in 1945 since the nation of Japan - with full (albeit blind loyalty) backing of their population - formally declared war against the USA and then spent 3 1/2 years doing their best to defeat our armed forces in their quest to take over the Pacific rim.

The nation of Iraq made no such declaration of war vs the USA, thus making our mass bombing and killing of their civilian population centers one of the most obscene displays in my adult lifetime.
 

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what was that line in godfather when michael corleone was trying to get kay back and they walked down the road.

she said something like politicians don't have men killed.
then corleone was like who's being naive now

obama is going to have people killed just like any other politican in world history. he isnt going to do it himself, but he will give the orders just like every other politician in world history, including your savior bush(zit)

che gave the orders for various strategic reasons like obama will and every politician has in world history.
 
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what was that line in godfather when michael corleone was trying to get kay back and they walked down the road.

she said something like politicians don't have men killed.
then corleone was like who's being naive now

obama is going to have people killed just like any other politican in world history. he isnt going to do it himself, but he will give the orders just like every other politician in world history, including your savior bush(zit)

che gave the orders for various strategic reasons like obama will and every politician has in world history.

I am not a Bush fan, and you know it.

But, keep on lying on here - you're in a groove.
 

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Or Hiroshima / Nagasaki

They attacked our military we killed their children. Sure, that makes sense.

Pearl Harbor, Hawaii Casualties
Sunday, December 7, 1941



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At dawn on December 7, 1941 more than half of the United States Pacific Fleet, approximately 150 vessels and service craft, lay at anchor or alongside piers in Pearl Harbor. All but one of the Pacific fleet's battleships were in port that morning, most of them moored to quays flanking Ford Island. By 10:00 a.m. the tranquil Sunday calm had been shattered, 21 vessels lay sunk or damaged, the fighting backbone of the fleet apparently broken. Smoke from burning planes and hangers filled the sky. Oil from sinking ships clogged the harbor. Death was everywhere.
The fleet in Pearl Harbor, the focus of the attack, suffered the greatest loss; almost half the total casualties occurred when the USS Arizona blew up. Army, Navy, Army Air Force, and Marine Corps facilities across the length and breadth of Oahu, from Kaneohe to haleiwa to Malakole, bore their share of death and destruction. Hickam, Wheeler, and Bellows Army Air Force bases lost 217 men and 77 aircraft. Naval Air Stations at Ford Island and Kaneohe lost 19 men. Pacific Fleet naval aircraft losses in total, were 92. At Ewa Marine Corps Air Station, 4 men were killed and 33 aircraft were destroyed. Civilians from Waikiki to Pearl City were killed by exploding anti-aircraft munitions (friendly fire).
In the first hours of America's Pacific war, the nation suffered one of her worst wartime losses: 2,388 men, women, and children were killed in the attack. The targets of attack were naval ships and military facilities throughout Oahu. The number of casualties suffered by each ship and facility is enumerated below.
This lists persons, military and civilians, who died as a result of the attack or were killed later that day in the performance of their duties. The listing of servicemen is by branch of service and duty station. The list of civilians is by location. Sailors and marines killed on board the USS Arizona are listed in the USS Arizona Casualty list.

Another ill conceived post from the uninformed. :ohno:
 

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In the first hours of America's Pacific war, the nation suffered one of her worst wartime losses: 2,388 men, women, and children were killed in the attack.
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Another ill conceived post from the uninformed. :ohno:

Dave, as far as I know Japan attacked only military targets in Hawaii. The number of civilian casualties was only about 50, all of them killed while being at military installations, many by secondary explosions.

I do not agree with RobFunk in this issue (deplorable as it is, strategic bombing is still seen as a legitimate part of war) but to call him uninformed shows that it's rather you who does not have the correct information.
 

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Dave, as far as I know Japan attacked only military targets in Hawaii. The number of civilian casualties was only about 50, all of them killed while being at military installations, many by secondary explosions.

I do not agree with RobFunk in this issue (deplorable as it is, strategic bombing is still seen as a legitimate part of war) but to call him uninformed shows that it's rather you who does not have the correct information.

The point I was making is that the Japanese were far from being exonerated for the attack because it was against “our military” when in fact children were killed. Rob insinuates that the US responded by killing only children. He either don’t understand the ugly part of war or revels in making the US out to be evil. If in fact their were only 50 killed, so what? The number is not the issue it’s the fact that it happened.
 

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Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm pretty sure the axis of evil was responsible for TENS OF MILLIONS OF DEATHS.

Is anyone really naive enough to think Japan didn't kill millions of civilians when attacking all the fucking nations of the Pacific rim?

I'm certain they were responsible for killing far more civilians than they had killed.
 

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Bardude, you do know we're not at war with Iraq, eh? I think that war lasted 2 weeks and had relatively few casualties.
 

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Bardude, you do know we're not at war with Iraq, eh? I think that war lasted 2 weeks and had relatively few casualties.

While I generally agree with you Willie, you lost me here. Our forces continue to get killed. Their forces continue to get killed. What about this quagmire is is non-war? We dispatched the "Iraqi army" in a short amount of time. Now we fight against the Sunni militiamen and others. Six years later we are still at war by any reasonable definition.
 

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While I generally agree with you Willie, you lost me here. Our forces continue to get killed. Their forces continue to get killed. What about this quagmire is is non-war? We dispatched the "Iraqi army" in a short amount of time. Now we fight against the Sunni militiamen and others. Six years later we are still at war by any reasonable definition.


We've been fighting insurgents, who are also killing Iraqi people. We are not fighting the Iraqi government or the Iraqi people, both of whom are our allies.

That simple little detail is misrepresented more often than not. As for people getting killed, I'm not one to under value any life, but the hostilities and casualties are way way way down at this point in time, which is the reason why Iraq is off the front pages. Not enough bad news for our enabling whores to report.
 

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this country isnt worth fighting for anymore..... its a 1% greed pit!
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I'm very happy and quite comfortable, and no where near the top 1%. I believe most of middle America is with me.
 

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For the most part, I dont see middle class "working" america as happy and comfortable...........

Still it isnt worth risking your life for the top 1%
 

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We've been fighting insurgents, who are also killing Iraqi people. We are not fighting the Iraqi government or the Iraqi people, both of whom are our allies.

You do realize that the insurgents are Iraqi people. We are killing them and they are killing us. If that's not war, I don't know what is.
 

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