Detroit vs chicago...what a sick match-up

[HawkN-Flight]

The difference between the Wings two victories and the Hawks two victories against each other. When the Wings won on News Year day, they were both still fighting for 1st place in the division. Then , at the end of the year when Chicago won , all the playoff positions were already set.

I see more open ice for the Wings this series. The Hawks don.t play that kind of physical trap game like the ducks. I know one thing for sure. The ducks showed how to play the wings. Chippy hockey, dirty and alot of yapping. Next year, the wings seriously need to find a policeman to look out for their stars . Someone like a Dave Semenko when he was Gretzky ,s bodyguard. They can,t have a Neidaymeyer throwing an elbow and few punches against a player like Pavel Datsuky. Someone has to make sure this stuff doesn,t happen and the Wings don,t have a true enforcer.
Detroit in 6

 

[crazy]

Nice find Busay, that sums up my feelring for this series. I like the way both are playing and game by game is most likely the way to wager this. I will not be surprised if the hawks win nor will I be surprised if the wings school them.

One baby game at time for me in this series

 

[Bushay]

IOW, for those of you with childlike attention spans, what
Bushay is trying to say is, Wings in 4. And the cup in 8.
K.I.S.S.

X-files, do you EVER post any game thoughts or is it always just relaying offshore odds and picks without any reasoning?

Try and add your opinion on a game now and then. It's one of the reasons the forum's here to begin with and then you won't have to decifer other's thoughts so regularly.

 

[Bushay]

The difference between the Wings two victories and the Hawks two victories against each other. When the Wings won on News Year day, they were both still fighting for 1st place in the division. Then , at the end of the year when Chicago won , all the playoff positions were already set.

I see more open ice for the Wings this series. The Hawks don.t play that kind of physical trap game like the ducks. I know one thing for sure. The ducks showed how to play the wings. Chippy hockey, dirty and alot of yapping. Next year, the wings seriously need to find a policeman to look out for their stars . Someone like a Dave Semenko when he was Gretzky ,s bodyguard. They can,t have a Neidaymeyer throwing an elbow and few punches against a player like Pavel Datsuky. Someone has to make sure this stuff doesn,t happen and the Wings don,t have a true enforcer.
Detroit in 6

I agree with your point to an extent. They Ducks certainly showed ONE way of how to beat the Wings, the problem is there isn't another team in the league with wingspans like Pronger, Getzlaf, Perry and Ryan to go along with HOFer Neidermayer and a good, big hot goalie like Hiller played. Those guys cover a lot of ice not to mention they play a lot. "Chippy hockey, dirty and alot of yapping" is the remedy for failure against this team. They've proved over the years your wasting a roster spot by adding a policeman to your team. The wings have learned to turn the other cheek and to take a hit, even the dirty ones, for the benifiet of the team to make them pay with the best PP in the league. Scotty taught them that. He used to spend extra hours in practice working to perfect the PP so they wouldn't need to take up a roster space with a one dimensional player. The Wings may skate real pretty, but they also have a lot of team toughness that they seemed to lack years ago. So on that point I disagree.

 

[billhill999]

Hawks, +170 reduced juice at 5Dimes is the play for me in game 1.

 

[X-Files]

X-files, do you EVER post any game thoughts or is it always just relaying offshore odds and picks without any reasoning?

Try and add your opinion on a game now and then. It's one of the reasons the forum's here to begin with and then you won't have to decifer other's thoughts so regularly.

Sure, there are a lot of good points in this thread already. So i will
keep it short and sweet. The Wings just beat the hotest team in
the leaque, and if you exclude game 3 the series was really only
6 games, and w/o Hiller playing unconscious it would have been
less. As for the Hawks, i am not impressed & feel they were
lucky to get this far. Their youth and inexperience will be easily
exploited by a far superior opponent. Wings in 5. Play Detroit
-1.5 games to win the series with plus money at Pinnacle.

 

[Bushay]

Hawks, +170 reduced juice at 5Dimes is the play for me in game 1.

Evidently you think the Hawks want this first one more. or will be better prepared. Good luck. I'm gonna sit this first one out and try and get a better read after one.

With teams so evenly matched at this stage. I really want to try and concentrate on the "who want's it more" factor. And try and see if that produces as edge moreso than how I normally cap the games. In other words...I lost my last dart somewhere in the basement.

 

[HawkN-Flight]

I agree with your point to an extent. They Ducks certainly showed ONE way of how to beat the Wings, the problem is there isn't another team in the league with wingspans like Pronger, Getzlaf, Perry and Ryan to go along with HOFer Neidermayer and a good, big hot goalie like Hiller played. Those guys cover a lot of ice not to mention they play a lot. "Chippy hockey, dirty and alot of yapping" is the remedy for failure against this team. They've proved over the years your wasting a roster spot by adding a policeman to your team. The wings have learned to turn the other cheek and to take a hit, even the dirty ones, for the benifiet of the team to make them pay with the best PP in the league. Scotty taught them that. He used to spend extra hours in practice working to perfect the PP so they wouldn't need to take up a roster space with a one dimensional player. The Wings may skate real pretty, but they also have a lot of team toughness that they seemed to lack years ago. So on that point I disagree.

No one will disagree the wings will dish out more hits than their opposition . But you can,t have an average hockey player taking runs at your top stars. Even a player like Mcarthy would enforce . Imagine how the ice opens up for Pavel, Zett, and Franzen if the oppositions knows if you gonna run at our top players , you will pay for it.
Bob Probert played for the wings for 10 years. The reason Bowman sent Probert to the Hawks was he had trouble with the law being caught with Coke at the Windsor border . He later had more trouble with the law when he played for the Hawks.
If the Wings want their stars to last a while in the NHL, which many have signed to long term contracts. They better find a 4th line policeman who gets on the ice and sends a message to the other team, either to the opposition player who is directly dishing out cheap hits or to the other team,s top star. If the NHL is not going to penalize teams for what we saw at the end of Game 6. How did Neidameyer never get a game for that elbow at the end of Game 6 against Pavy. ? Pavy can,t duke it out. Careers can end quickly when your stars have to drop the gloves.

 

[Bushay]

No one will disagree the wings will dish out more hits than their opposition . But you can,t have an average hockey player taking runs at your top stars. Even a player like Mcarthy would enforce . Imagine how the ice opens up for Pavel, Zett, and Franzen if the oppositions knows if you gonna run at our top players , you will pay for it.

I hope this doesn't come off the wrong way but....This organization has been operating with this philosophy for YEARS and I'm pretty sure they are aware of exactly what your point is but feel and choose to do exactly the opposite of what your suggesting. I see your from Ontario and don't know how big a Wings fan you are or even not at all, but this topic has been debated by Wings fans for YEARS as at one time probably 80% or better of Wing fans felt exactly the same as you do. Myself included, but they've absoultly proven over the years that they will a] take their lumps and punish them on the PP or b] just play a more "team tough" type of play, [even as finesse oriented as they are] and sort of respond by working harder in the weight room and maning up as best they can. I think the Swedes have or had a rep in the past as being soft but I believe that rep. is off base today. Sammeulson, Holmstrom, Franzen will not back down from ANYONE if they want to bring it, and those guys get a lot of ice time. I just think Anaheim would have done what they did to most all teams is that situation. There's just not much you can do to counter big, tough and very talented. Columbus was tough and they didn't have any problems with them. Same as last season with Nashville,Colorado, Dallas and then Pittsburgh. They basically have the exact same team.

 

[X-Files]

"Game one

DETROIT/Chicago over 5½ -1.15 PINNACLE

One has to figure this to be a high-scoring series, as both Nikolai Khabibulin and Chris Osgood are both going to face a lot more firepower than they did in previous rounds. The Anaheim/Detroit series was close only because of the goaltending of Ducks Jonas Hiller, as he was brilliant in defeat while the Red Wings were plastering him with rubber. Meanwhile, the Blackhawks scored 23 goals in six games on Roberto Luongo and this talented group of snipers should have an easier time against Osgood. Going into game six of the Chicago/Vancouver series, Khabibulin faced 40 fewer shots than Luongo and no way will he have the same luxury against the offensive juggernaut he’ll see here. Khabibulin is not a strength of this Chicago team and it wouldn’t surprise me a bit to see Cristobal Huet at some point. So, to sum it up, what we have here are the two best offensive teams in the league going head-to-head and both teams weakness is its goaltending. Win or lose, I’m going over 5½ every time it’s offered up in this series and make no exception here. Play: Detroit/Chicago over 5½ -1.15 (Risking 2.3 units to win 2)."

I can't agree that the Hawks will have an easier time
against Osgood, because defensively the Wings are
far more capable that the Cannots were or the injured
Flames ever could be. That being said, though, we
may indeed see some high scoring games in the series
due to the offensive firepower & open style possible.

 

[Bushay]

I can't agree that the Hawks will have an easier time
against Osgood, because defensively the Wings are
far more capable that the Cannots were or the injured
Flames ever could be. That being said, though, we
may indeed see some high scoring games in the series
due to the offensive firepower & open style possible.

THAT'S......what I'm talkin bout!


Those points were bang on.

 

[FairWarning]

Hard not taking overs in this series. Not sure either goalie is a lock-down goalie. I see the Winhs to win series has moved up 20 cents on 5 Dimes. I may have to look harder at Chicago +180.

Now to search for Game 6 tickets.

 

[Bushay]

One thing i have observed about the Wings SOG situation is that they constantly outshoot the opposition and at times in great numbers but will still only win a game by a single goal making you believe they are completely dominating a game where in fact many many times the Wings constantly put pressure on their opponent but the shots are not always "difficult" shots thus making the opponents goalie look a lot stronger than he actually is playing. Teams like to take away the lanes at times forcing their shots from the perimeter but since they can come at you in droves or layers, that eventually an opportunity will create itself for a very good scoring opportunity. They wear you down and eventually a very good, a lot of times, easy, opportunity presents itself.

 

[Bushay]

Hard not taking overs in this series. Not sure either goalie is a lock-down goalie. I see the Winhs to win series has moved up 20 cents on 5 Dimes. I may have to look harder at Chicago +180.

Now to search for Game 6 tickets.

My 3 round tix are possibly available. 4 rows off the glass. Blue line.

$300 a tic. I split them and at this time not sure what games will be mine this round to do as I chose.

 

[jdigae01]

bushay - at 300.00 per ticket is that face value? dont mean to get in your business just trying to compare to philly.

 

[FairWarning]

My 3 round tix are possibly available. 4 rows off the glass. Blue line.

$300 a tic. I split them and at this time not sure what games will be mine this round to do as I chose.

If the games in Detroit were on a weekend, I would be VERY interested. I am 200 miles away from you, but 80 from Chicago. Did see some Hawk fans on I-94 today. Those are some great tickets Bushay. Joe Lewis is a great place for hockey.

 

[Bushay]

bushay - at 300.00 per ticket is that face value? dont mean to get in your business just trying to compare to philly.

Well, I've been a season ticket holder since the early 80's but do NOT own the rights to the seats. When the owner called me this season to ask if I was going to purchase the PO seats i passed but turned him on to a friend of mine who was interested. My reg season face value seats are $85 a game. But i pay $100 a seat. I'm down to purchasing a 10 game package from him but always have the PO's offered to me. He called me Friday wanting to know if I wanted game 1 vs. the Hawks. Round one he sold to me[and I sold to my friend] were $125. Round 2 went to $150 a seat. I never touched the tickets so never saw the face value. When he called Friday he said Round 3 were going to be $250 for me at a deal, he sold the others for considerably more. Craigslist is an awesome venue to sellling sporting tickets. I passed on game one but if I took them and didn't go I would have had them on Craigslist immiadiatly for $300. So again, I still dont know what the face value is for round 3. Times are tough here is Detroit economically and Illitch has been very fan friendly to his fans during these times. Especially after back in 2001 after he jacked the tickets up so high they had empty seats for the finals. I'm sure these prices can be looked up online for accurate face value pricing but I'm guessing face value to be around $175-$200.

I know for a fact the better seats in '97 when Yzerman won his first cup, my seats were scalping for over $3000. But times were much different around here then.

In another long winded story, The year the boys met Edmonton in the conference finals[ not sure the year. It was on their way to the top]. I had a national scalper offer me clubhouse box seats to the Kentucky Derby for my game 7 seats. I used to go to the Derby back then for about 10 years straight. This was when my father was still alive and we did a lot together game wise. The offer was really tempting but we couldn't pass up the chance to see Wayne and the boys that close, in their prime, on their way to one of their many cups. In those years I would go to almost all 40 games a year. So when I run my mouth in here about the Wings it's because I've sat, up close, thru many, many of the bad years and watched them grow to what they are today. I've had these seats since before they drafted a young boy out of Peterborough name Stevie Y and then watched him mature over the years like very few have.

Sorry for the memorable story telling session.

 

[FairWarning]

Bushay, I got day of the game tix during the Brad Park-era, 5th row for $15. How times have changed. Chicago is going thru the same change now.

 

[crazy]

Those were some good years in the 80's

leafs and wings battle for last place...Lol

plus the brawls (detroit always got the worst of those)

Good old hound line

 

[Bushay]

Then you must remember the "Darkness of Harkness"