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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SENDITIN:
No I'm not a pedophile and never was...see that was easy!! As far as name calling reread your post...can you say bahhhhhhhhh. Even Phaedrus has gotten better at that and we all know how bad he was
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I asked would you set things back before the war started which meant Sadaam was in power...and D2 answered yes...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you not understand "Yes or No"?
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That was the criteria posed to you, you must answer "yes or no". Either you're incapable of following directions, you cannot comprehend simple statements, or you learned first hand that the world is not as simple as "yes or no".
 

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At least D2Bets had the intelectual honesty to answer the question and clearly state his opinion, even when it might not be the popular answer.
 

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Geeezus Lander you sound like Clinton or like you're running for office. Don't take things so seriously...put things in perspective...you're talking about politics on a two bit gambling site...lighten up...it's OK to disagree in the U.S....probably wouldn't be OK to disagree in Iraq if Sadaam was still there though...you could be off to the rape room with Uday.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Igetp2s:
At least D2Bets had the intelectual honesty to answer the question and clearly state his opinion, even when it might not be the popular answer.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm afraid my education has failed me - please define "intelectual honesty", so that I'll understand what exactly your point is.

As for it not being the popular answer, well, I'm not sure how your deductions led you to that belief, but international polls have generaly shown a strong percentage for anti-war support. Please provide your sources.

D2's response was a fine one, but did you see where Senditin took the debate - "I asked would you set things back before the war started which meant Sadaam was in power...and D2 answered yes...". Just as I originally suspected before Senditin even came to his illusion of a brilliant retort - it was a loaded question.

I do appologize for not having the "intelectual honesty" to fall into the traps of a loaded question, but I suppose that's just my way.
 

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"D2's response was a fine one, but did you see where Senditin took the debate - "I asked would you set things back before the war started which meant Sadaam was in power...and D2 answered yes...". Just as I originally suspected before Senditin even came to his illusion of a brilliant retort - it was a loaded question."

I saw Senditin's question, I saw D2Bet's response. As far as I can tell Senditin has not replied yet to D2Bets response. I fail to see the loaded part of the question. Maybe you could spell it out for us so that we are all clear about it.

Or is "loaded question" a euphemism for "I cannot defend my opinion so I won't answer."
 

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As for intellectual honesty, I used the term incorrectly, it has nothing to do with your answer. I apologize.

I guess you can replace that term with the word "balls," as in: "At least D2Bets had the BALLS to answer the question and clearly state his opinion, even when it might not be the popular answer."
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Igetp2s:
"D2's response was a fine one, but did you see where Senditin took the debate - "I asked would you set things back before the war started which meant Sadaam was in power...and D2 answered yes...". Just as I originally suspected before Senditin even came to his illusion of a brilliant retort - it was a loaded question."

I saw Senditin's question, I saw D2Bet's response. As far as I can tell Senditin has not replied yet to D2Bets response. I fail to see the loaded part of the question. Maybe you could spell it out for us so that we are all clear about it.

Or is "loaded question" a euphemism for "I cannot defend my opinion so I won't answer."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Seeing how I cited his response, I think that would lead you to believe there was indeed a response and prompt you to actually search for it instead on implying I fabricated his response in the same manner your appointed president fabricates evidence in order to murder thousands.

I'll take the liberty to post his retort in full as I doubt you'll take the time to search for it yourself since you did not bother earlier.

I predicted it was a loaded question, and now proved it. I suggest that you take your losses and move on otherwise you'll simply continue to illuminate your lack of intelligence. Not that I particularly care, but, oddly enough, I do have better things to do that to humiliate you in a public forum.

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No I'm not a pedophile and never was...see that was easy!! As far as name calling reread your post...can you say bahhhhhhhhh. Even Phaedrus has gotten better at that and we all know how bad he was

I asked would you set things back before the war started which meant Sadaam was in power...and D2 answered yes...
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Do you have any sensible questions or are "if pigs could fly" questions your manner of concession?

If I could waive a magic wand - I would change sheep like you into free thinkers, I would instill a government that cared about its people and I would focus our foreign policy on helping people instead of occupying them in the false name of democary for billions of dollars worth of canals, oils and so forth<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Lander caught me...I'm guilty...I was just being part of the vast right wing conspiracy!!

I'll make it easy for you Lander...fill in the blanks...If it was up to me(that's you!!) with regard to Iraq policy I would have___________ instead of invading the country and my policies would have resulted in_______________. Today Sadaam would be _____________.

Now here's a sample answer for you...I would have continued with the sanctions and the no fly zones, which would have resulted in Iraq agreeing to all of the UN demands. Today Sadaam would still be in power, but no longer a threat to anyone.
 

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Senditin's original question:

"If you could wave a magic wand now, would you reinstall Sadaam to power and set things back the way they were before the war?"

Senditin's other statement:

"I asked would you set things back before the war started which meant Sadaam was in power...and D2 answered yes..."

And from this you proved that the question was loaded? Yeah, OK.

I guess D2Bets isn't as sharp as you because he fell right into the trap. Is that what your saying?


I can just picture the next Democratic debate:

Moderator: Mr. Dean, if president would you repeal President Bush's tax cuts.

Howard Dean: That is a loaded question. I will not answer.

Viewer at home: god what an idiot.
 

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I'll take a crack and wave the "magic wand" before the war started and put saddam back in power. At the same time, the "magic wand" would:
- restore the lives of some 400 plus servicemen and women (this number will grow)
- restore the health of even more who have suffered wounds and permanent disability (this number will grow)
- restore $80 billion dollars to the USA (this number will grow)
- restore us to a time when world public opinion was favorable to the USA instead of against it
- restore us to a time where the security threat wthen as no different than it is today.

And I'd do it in a heartbeat.
 

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Originally posted by Igetp2s:
Senditin's original question:

"If you could wave a magic wand now, would you reinstall Sadaam to power and set things back the way they were before the war?"

Senditin's other statement:

"I asked would you set things back before the war started which meant Sadaam was in power...and D2 answered yes..."

And from this you proved that the question was loaded? Yeah, OK.

Senditin is clearly implying that one is in favor of having Saddam in power if he opposed the war. That premise is a complete fallacy because it is very concievable (to most of us) that you can believe Saddam to be an SOB, but at the same time realize that more good could have been done by not going to war. I anticipated that you two would make that flawwed connection, as you have and as you generally do, thus I chose not to answer.

I guess D2Bets isn't as sharp as you because he fell right into the trap. Is that what your saying?
D2 seems sharp to me, but I cannot judge him because I don't him. I can speculate on why he choose to answer - perhaps he felt that Senditin's question was in good faith and would be subject to a flawwed spin of illogic by you two? Perhaps he felt he could reason with Senditin? I honestly don't know, but I suggest that if you sincerely want the answer (which you clearly don't) then you ask D2 instead of me.

On the postive side, I do appreciate your concession that it was a trap - it was the first honest thing I've read from your-delusional-self in some time.

I can just picture the next Democratic debate:

Moderator: Mr. Dean, if president would you repeal President Bush's tax cuts.

Howard Dean: That is a loaded question. I will not answer.

Viewer at home: god what an idiot.

I'm pretty sure that a qualified moderator would address the Governor as Governor Dean, but regardless I'm certain that Governor Dean's are not a reflection of my informed opinion. The man has a long history of political success as well as medical success, so I anticipate his insights and retorts would be exponentially more accurate and articulate that the majority of ours. Again, I urge you to ask Governor Dean instead of me if indeed you need his positions clarified for you. I'm sure he's dealt with slow people before, so he might be able to explain things is a more simple manner that you could better grasp.

I recommend that begin your search here - www.deanforamerica.com - the site should contain sufficient information regarding the upcoming fund raisers in your area. Perhaps Governor Dean would entertain your inquiries after a fundraising dinner?

GL.

[This message was edited by lander on January 12, 2004 at 04:49 PM.]
 

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Mudbone,

Before Iraq, public sentiment in the world was already unfavorable. It's the smaller nations that might work with us for what we could give them. The France's, Germany's and Canada's of the world have their own agenda to pursue just as we have ours.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mudbone:
I'll take a crack and wave the "magic wand" before the war started and put saddam back in power. At the same time, the "magic wand" would:
- restore the lives of some 400 plus servicemen and women (this number will grow)
- restore the health of even more who have suffered wounds and permanent disability (this number will grow)
- restore $80 billion dollars to the USA (this number will grow)
- restore us to a time when world public opinion was favorable to the USA instead of against it
- restore us to a time where the security threat wthen as no different than it is today.

And I'd do it in a heartbeat.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

...and don't forget the resources, manpower, thought, and focus that was diverted from Afghanistan/OBL to Iraq/Saddam. Naturally no one can say for sure, however, but for the Iraq war, we might have bagged OBL. I'd rather have OBL in prison than Saddam. Maybe others disagree?
 

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D2,
That is a very valid point. Another issue to consider is that North Korea has openly admited that it has a nuclear program and feels it has the right to use them "preemptively" (in a similiar manner the Bush Doctrine of evil dictates).

It concerns me that we're chasing around an old man in a povershed nation without (apparently) any WMD, while simultaneously we have another member of the "Axis of evil" threatening us with the deadly weapons known to mankind.

It seems we either have a horrible set of priorities or an unexusable lying hypocracy of an administration. Either way, it is deeply concerning.
 

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If I could wave a magic wand…
I would wave it and go back to the year 1991. Then, I would make Shrub Sr. along with real International support oust Saddam Hussein and then with the entire international community, rebuild the country with UN troops on the ground. But, I don’t have a magic wand… otherwise I would make sure we found WMD’s so we don’t look like a bunch of buffoons on the stage of International Diplomacy.
 

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The Army War College released a report today which basically says that the Iraq war diverted our attention. The idea of a global war on terror this early is just unworkable and a narrower focus on Al Qaeda would have been better policy.

The way I see it...Bush saw 9/11 as a reason, excuse and impetus to go forward with their Iraq plans. In reality it should have been just the opposite. If on 9/10/01 we had been planning to overthrow Saddam, on 9/12 those plans should have been put on hold until the war on Al Qaeda was complete. We should have focused like a laser on it. Instead, Bush feared that he might not be seen as having success when he couldn't find OBL and couldn't seem to get a handle on Al Qaeda. So he went for the sure, easy, dramatic 'victory' in Iraq. Like Wes Clark says, this is what can only be called a world class bait-and-switch.
 

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The Libs continue to BS while the Conservatives find the facts.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D2bets:
The Army War College released a report today which basically says that the Iraq war diverted our attention. The idea of a global war on terror this early is just unworkable and a narrower focus on Al Qaeda would have been better policy.

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It wasn't the Army War College that released the study; it was one professor from the school with past ties to Democrat Senator Sam Nunn and Lloyd Bentson. Please don't mischaracterize the study.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shotgun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D2bets:
The Army War College released a report today which basically says that the Iraq war diverted our attention. The idea of a global war on terror this early is just unworkable and a narrower focus on Al Qaeda would have been better policy.

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It wasn't the Army War College that released the study; it was one professor from the school with past ties to Democrat Senator Sam Nunn and Lloyd Bentson. Please don't mischaracterize the study.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was published and released by the Army War College. Naturally there was a human author behind it, but I didn't mischaracterize anything -- it was released and published by the Army War College. Period. This is fact. I'm looking to get hold of the paper too, looks interesting.
 

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