Customers that stiffed us

[hamneggs]

Scott, Dermo, bucs, UB, etc..

I agree with bhbookie.com on this point:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>BucsFan - I hear you bro. But if its a poster here I think the other posters should know.

Think about it. What if some respected poster here was stiffing or scamming, or taking advantage of a book. You guys should want to know. That way when they post their opinions you know that they have their own agendas.

The poster can still defend himself, and tell their side of the story. Then we can draw our own conclusion as far as who is right and who is wrong.

It is no different than when a poster makes accusations <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

BUT I question what advantage is gained by posting the personal information of an alleged (or proven) scammer. How often does a scammer use his/her REAL name? Result: there is a significant risk that you will actually be posting the personal information of an innocent third party who is a victim of identity theft.

In recognition of the risk mentioned above, I am left to ask which advantage the bookies gain by posting personal information in a forum that is accessible to the public. Is the risk just a non factor?

Again, I am entirely in favor of a "Casino Watch" database and forums such as The Rx Bookie Forum. These are the places to post personal information regarding players. If you recklessly publish defamatory information about a "scammer" who is an innocent victim of identity theft, then you do so at the risk of facing a defamation suit. The moral implications of making a false accusation should neither be ignored.

It is not to say that in every instance the scammer is using another's credit card and has assumed their identity. However, the risk is there and when weighed against the potential benefits of publishing personal information, I believe that the scale tips in favor of only sharing this information with fellow bookmakers (Casino Watch, Rx Bookie Forum, etc..)

 

[bhbookie]

Hammy - Good point. I agree. Bookmakers forum it is.

-scott

 

[UncleButternutts]

hamneggs

I agree, that was why i asked him to email the info to me..Not post it here.

I also agree that ALL of the info he has, should be posted in the "Bookies Only" forum.

 

[bucsfan67]

KEEP US UPDATED UNCLE B

 

[LinesMaker]

Just saw this thread and wanted to add one thing. With respect to the negative comments regarding OldFriend. Old has played with us and the way he conducted business with us was first rate - totally straight up in every way.

But the number of scammers out there is truly unbelievable though - from the most obvious and moronic attempts to schemes that would make an Enron executive blush. Every shop has to be on top of it. -- LM

 

[SUPREMEBEING]

You guys have to understand...we have a hundred people a day trying to pull every scam there is. you shouldn't credit the funds without downloading...but when you have some moron who set the money 3 minutes before gametime...and is crying and begging....then they give the same control # to 2 or 10 different books and see how many they can get a bet in.
i have people daily who will confirm an incorrect readback to get what is essentially a Bonus Play. and will still argue it even when i can see that checked it on the internet 2 minutes after getting off the phone!!!
I had a new scam today, where the guy gives the correct password on the way in, and then on the readback says the account # and mumbles inaudibly for the password and then hangs up. What to do? Don't put the play through? He claims you if he wins. Put the play in? He claims you when it loses.

People lying about buddy referals...setting up 2 (or 20) accounts to get bonuses they're not entitled to, or more bonuses for referring themselves.

understand this-I have so many people each day lying to me, and trying to steal from me that sometimes its hard to see the GENUINE issues.

My message to the betting public:
REACH BETWEEN YOU LEGS. IS THERE ANYTHING THERE? THEN START ACTING LIKE A ****ING MAN AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR ACTIONS!!

 

[SPIVE]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I had a new scam today, where the guy gives the correct password on the way in, and then on the readback says the account # and mumbles inaudibly for the password and then hangs up. What to do? Don't put the play through? He claims you if he wins. Put the play in? He claims you when it loses. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would put the play in.

Why?

Because a correct password had already been previously given and recorded...as well as a correct account number. Win or lose there would be no bitching about an inaudible "RE-confirmation" of a password already audibly received/recorded.

No "new" scam sighted here.

 

[VG789]

I totally agree,and I doubt that anyone will disagree.What can this guy say tomorrow?I gave you wrong password so dont count it in?Perhaps we are missing something?

Anyway,some bookies like easybets,should first take a look at the mirror,and then come back and talk us about scammers.I m not saying that they dont pay,but there is a big difference between paying on time and paying months later!

 

[SUPREMEBEING]

AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MY CLERK DID-BUT HE WAS FILLING THE LAST PIECE ON A 3tPARLAY, IT (DEVILS) LOST, AND HE WANTS IT BACK!!!
"I'M A GOOD CUSTOMER!!"
"I DIDN'T CON-, I MEAN WHOEVER MADE THIS CALL DIDN'T CONFIRM WITH THE RIGHT PASSWORD"
"GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK"

WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WE'RE ALL HERE A LITTLE JADED BY HAVING EVERYBODY TELL US LIES ALL THE TIME TRYING TO GET OVER FOR A DOLLAR. AND THEREFORE, THE HONEST, LEGITIMATE COMPLAINT OFTEN DOESN'T GET THE PROPER SCRUTINITY, OR GETS TREATED LIKE ANOTHER CRANK UNTIL YOU INVESTIGATE DEEPLY.
YOU (BETTORS) ARE ONLY HURTING YOURSELVES, COLLECTIVELY, AND AS INDIVIDUALS. I, FOR ONE, MARK CUSTOMERS ACCOUNT WHEN THEY TRY TO PULL SOME SHIT LIKE THAT TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T GET THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT IN ANY FUTURE SCAM.

 

[SPIVE]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MY CLERK DID-BUT HE WAS FILLING THE LAST PIECE ON A 3tPARLAY, IT (DEVILS) LOST, AND HE WANTS IT BACK!!!
"I'M A GOOD CUSTOMER!!"
"I DIDN'T CON-, I MEAN WHOEVER MADE THIS CALL DIDN'T CONFIRM WITH THE RIGHT PASSWORD"
"GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sir the account could only be accessed if the correct account number AND password were initially given, which was the case...while, re-confirmation of an account number and password is merely a verification upon completion of the "read-back" that the details of the particular wager entered are correctly understood and accepted. Since, there was no dispute to correctness following the read-back, play stands.

Note: Bookmakers are dealing with gambling degenerates, which they've assisted in creating, while profiting from.

I am willing to bet this parlay player is a profitable client for this particular BM. As such, the dilemma for the BM becomes one of deciding which is MORE profitable in the LONG-TERM...do you cut this guy off (probably doing him a favor), while losing his as well as his potential degenerate friends play and money...or...give in to him (even though he's wrong) knowing it will surely pay in the long-run? I would also bet that if this player was a regular winner...he would be given no slack and probably would have booted long ago.

I know what I'd do...but...what would do YOU do if you're the Bookmaker here?

 

[areeff]

I sent a bank wire to aces gold.

My bank faxed them proof of wire of the money. They put the money in my account. I was down about 500 after 20k in action at a nickel a game. My bank totally f'ed the wire for over a month and eventually returned the funds to me as being undeliverable and aces gold froze my account. A month later they went out of business. Thank god my bank sucks

 

[Moon88]

"Anyone with half a brain will be able to see from the post that you can't spell, and probably head down to the Western union office after collecting the welfare check"



dermo welfare cheque? great rapport.Good Luck.

 

[Diarmuid]

Are you trying to tell me that he can insult my book, and I have to sit back and accept that? Before you make judgements, why don't you have the guts to call me. You have my number, I have stated it here on this forum on numerous occasions. If you do not know the story, then do not make judgements until you have heard both sides. If you do not like what I say, fine. Perhaps it will do some good to have scam artists on your side of the fence exposed, because they are a far greater threat to your betting than so called scam outfit sportsbooks. If you paid more attention to the villains and scamsters on your side of the fence, just as much as dodgy sportsbooks, then you may be able to justify your statements, but until then

I am not going to approach this serious issue in a smarmy false "have a nice day" manner, smile at you while cursing you in my heart. Because if anyone tries ripping off my employer, I am entitled to safeguard my companies interest, and the interests of the industry as a whole by exposing these scam artists. Because they make life difficult for genuine, honest gamblers. TRY and remember that.

 

[StoneCold+]

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Hypocritically, complacently, or effusively earnest; unctuous. See Synonyms at unctuous.
Sleek.

smarmy

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[peskypup]

I can hardly believe this thread!!

Dermot, I am one of those decent, honest customers you value so much. but unfortunately I will not be betting with Easy bets again. Why is this?

The answer is that after a couple of months with you I was limited to a $50 bet on all the sports I like betting. When your book changes its attitude towards winning customers you can start whining about customers who stiff you, not before then.

You got stiffed because you did not follow sensible checking procedures, which you should now be doing if you have any sense. If a customer wants to avoid being stiffed he must keep his or her ear close to the ground to know who is pratting around with slow pay games and who is not.

All the advantages in betting are with the books, it is not easy to get an edge over the lines. Then when you do get such an edge the likes of Easy Bets boot you.

Go and whinge and cry on another site, Dermot and do us all a favour.