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Cruz still crushed Kasich in the primary process. Good luck handwaving that away and telling voters to just take Kasich and like it.

I'm not really saying it isn't possible, but I am saying it is an awful decision. Trump supporters might be OK with Cruz (doubtful at this point but still salvageable)

GL getting them to support Kasich.
 

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If no one gets 1237, there is no one who deserves anything. It's an open convention. The voters didn't pick a candidate, so it's up to the Party to pick a candidate. They won't pick Cruz for many of the same reasons they wouldn't pick Drumpf. The funniest thing in all this is seeing People and a Party that hate Cruz, as much as he hates them, playing footsie simply because Drumpf is a worse nightmare, at least in Wisconsin.

You don't get a Touchdown if you're stopped at the 8 yard line, just because you came close, so I don't agree there's any principle here.

Kasich would be the candidate who would most likely beat Hillary, what should be the #1 goal. The only reason I don't put him as most likely is because there would be a large contingent that would want to move away from any candidate in 2016 that did not get to 1237, but that's speculation on my part. If my spec is correct, then they'd turn to Ryan, who seems like THE R guy to turn to in situations similar, like they did for house speakership.

If Trump gets the most votes and doesn't get it, it's gonna get ugly, like Bush/Gore Florida ugly.
 

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Is Trump bailing? What have I missed?

No evidence he is bailing. Just some of us think his recent actions seem to indicate he may not want to do this for another 7 months and then have to run the country for 4 years ontop of that. Either that or he is a lot dumber than we thought. After Nevada and then Super Tuesday he has just done a horrible job of pivoting. Doesn't seem like he even understands some of the most basic aspects of gov't and policy. And his recent gaffes seem so bad that they almost have to be somewhat intentional.
 

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If Trump gets the most votes and doesn't get it, it's gonna get ugly, like Bush/Gore Florida ugly.

What if he is cool with it and tells his voters to back Cruz? Then it won't get so ugly I doubt.

If he goes scorched earth and says the GOP is a bunch of ratfucking corrupt politician cheaters then it will likely get ugly.

Big difference and none of us can read his mind.
 

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What if he is cool with it and tells his voters to back Cruz? Then it won't get so ugly I doubt.

If he goes scorched earth and says the GOP is a bunch of ratfucking corrupt politician cheaters then it will likely get ugly.

Big difference and none of us can read his mind.

I don't think it will matter. People are going to be pissed. John Kerry conceded, and most Dems still to this day think it was stolen.
 

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No evidence he is bailing. Just some of us think his recent actions seem to indicate he may not want to do this for another 7 months and then have to run the country for 4 years ontop of that. Either that or he is a lot dumber than we thought. After Nevada and then Super Tuesday he has just done a horrible job of pivoting. Doesn't seem like he even understands some of the most basic aspects of gov't and policy. And his recent gaffes seem so bad that they almost have to be somewhat intentional.

Really? IMO opinion he's been doing idiotic things pretty consistently from the beginning. It's been working for him too. What recent actions?
 

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Well, I think as we get closer to the finish line, the idiotic things are amplified because less people are in the race.

But I was referring to the stuff about Heidi Cruz and his abortion comment yesterday about punishing women if it was illegal. Also, that town hall he did seems to have gotten panned.

Heidi Cruz is the cute daughter of Christian missionaries, how you gonna diss Heidi Cruz?
 

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If Trump gets the most votes and doesn't get it, it's gonna get ugly, like Bush/Gore Florida ugly.
Only if Drumpf keeps encouraging his sheep to make it ugly. If he turned around and actually became a rational human being(A YUGE stretch, I know) and said something like we will accept whatever happens at an open convention, and under no circumstances should there be riots, or anything even approaching a violent outcome, then things will be fine, and the party will unite behind the candidate, as they usually do.
 

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Well, I think as we get closer to the finish line, the idiotic things are amplified because less people are in the race.

But I was referring to the stuff about Heidi Cruz and his abortion comment yesterday about punishing women if it was illegal. Also, that town hall he did seems to have gotten panned.

Yeah I meant Gore. Like you said its way more toxic now. It's going to be a big deal if Trump has this taken away from him. People already think the system is rigged behind the scenes, this will be the man doing it out in the open, and saying, what the fuck are you going to do about it?
 

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Depends who the candidate is IMO. Why I said Cruz.

I really don't think Trump's more nationalistic, protectionist supporters are dying to vote for some RINO-light weakling like John Kasich.
 

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Yeah I meant Gore. Like you said its way more toxic now. It's going to be a big deal if Trump has this taken away from him. People already think the system is rigged behind the scenes, this will be the man coming out doing it in the open, and what the fuck are you going to do about it?

Yeah I edited what I said because I felt like it was written in a confusing way. But you seem to get the gist of what I mean.

I think it just comes down to if Trump is diplomatic about it or not and who the actual nominee is.

Trump golfs and bangs his hot wife all day probably. He might not want these problems.
 

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Depends who the candidate is IMO. Why I said Cruz.

I really don't think Trump's more nationalistic, protectionist supporters are dying to vote for some RINO-light weakling like John Kasich.
They will vote for the R candidate, when the alternative is Hillary. They can bluster all they want, but ultimately most voters come home.
 

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Cruz still crushed Kasich in the primary process. Good luck handwaving that away and telling voters to just take Kasich and like it.

I'm not really saying it isn't possible, but I am saying it is an awful decision. Trump supporters might be OK with Cruz (doubtful at this point but still salvageable)

GL getting them to support Kasich.
They're not gonna support Hillary. Most of them will support whoever the R candidate is.
 

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I suppose moving the convention from late Aug to mid-July worked out really well well if that is the goal. Gives people an extra 30-40 days to get over the ratfucking.

Whereas if you only have 2 months of POTUS-campaigning that is a really small window for them to get on board with Kasich.
 

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They're not gonna support Hillary. Most of them will support whoever the R candidate is.

You do realize voting is not mandatory right? People can just stay home.

You are handwaving this possibility away but when you nominate a guy who got 17% of the primary votes then I'm not sure how much enthusiasm he is going to have. We'll see if it comes about.

I know the RX is not an accurate representation of the entire Trump base, but if you asked a lot of these guys if they're going to vote for Kasich, many are going to say screw that and fuck the GOP, I'm staying home.
 

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They're not gonna support Hillary. Most of them will support whoever the R candidate is.

Nope, but I predict major apathy, and low turn out.
 

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You do realize voting is not mandatory right? People can just stay home.

You are handwaving this possibility away but when you nominate a guy who got 17% of the primary votes then I'm not sure how much enthusiasm he is going to have. We'll see if it comes about.
Sure, and so is 3rd party, which I personally hope is the place where the disaffected go, but the VAST majority will do what they always do, and vote for the party candidate. There won't be enthusiasm no matter who the candidate is. There will be big time negatives no matter who the candidate is for both parties. This is an election where any enthusiasm will be voting against the other party.
 

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I don't think the doom and gloom is limited to just the GOP doesn't want to ride the Trump Train. I think the doom and gloom has a lot to do with the realization that a guy you wholeheartedly supported and were extremely excited about for the last 9 months probably doesn't really want the job.

So if you donated to his campaign, you basically helped finance a 9 month reality TV show. That sucks.

I agree with this post. DTin no way wants to trade his billionaire, playboy lifestyle for the crushing pressure of being under immense scrutiny 24/7/365 for four years.

I pronounced back in November that he was just doing a reality TV bit and thought he would bail before Super Tuesday.

But I failed to account for how incredibly dismal the mainstream GOP has become at the national level.

Republican primary voters are unwilling to put even 35% of their support for any one of the absurdly unpopular bunch Cruz, Rubio, Carson etc

Clinton will win in November not only because she will receive 60million+ votes but because no one in the Republican party can attract even 50million.

The 62million who voted Romney in 2012 will split this year between the eventual nominee and at least one third party candidate who will be inserted by mid summer.
 

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