If no one gets 1237, there is no one who deserves anything. It's an open convention. The voters didn't pick a candidate, so it's up to the Party to pick a candidate. They won't pick Cruz for many of the same reasons they wouldn't pick Drumpf. The funniest thing in all this is seeing People and a Party that hate Cruz, as much as he hates them, playing footsie simply because Drumpf is a worse nightmare, at least in Wisconsin.
You don't get a Touchdown if you're stopped at the 8 yard line, just because you came close, so I don't agree there's any principle here.
Kasich would be the candidate who would most likely beat Hillary, what should be the #1 goal. The only reason I don't put him as most likely is because there would be a large contingent that would want to move away from any candidate in 2016 that did not get to 1237, but that's speculation on my part. If my spec is correct, then they'd turn to Ryan, who seems like THE R guy to turn to in situations similar, like they did for house speakership.
Is Trump bailing? What have I missed?
If Trump gets the most votes and doesn't get it, it's gonna get ugly, like Bush/Gore Florida ugly.
What if he is cool with it and tells his voters to back Cruz? Then it won't get so ugly I doubt.
If he goes scorched earth and says the GOP is a bunch of ratfucking corrupt politician cheaters then it will likely get ugly.
Big difference and none of us can read his mind.
No evidence he is bailing. Just some of us think his recent actions seem to indicate he may not want to do this for another 7 months and then have to run the country for 4 years ontop of that. Either that or he is a lot dumber than we thought. After Nevada and then Super Tuesday he has just done a horrible job of pivoting. Doesn't seem like he even understands some of the most basic aspects of gov't and policy. And his recent gaffes seem so bad that they almost have to be somewhat intentional.
Only if Drumpf keeps encouraging his sheep to make it ugly. If he turned around and actually became a rational human being(A YUGE stretch, I know) and said something like we will accept whatever happens at an open convention, and under no circumstances should there be riots, or anything even approaching a violent outcome, then things will be fine, and the party will unite behind the candidate, as they usually do.If Trump gets the most votes and doesn't get it, it's gonna get ugly, like Bush/Gore Florida ugly.
Well, I think as we get closer to the finish line, the idiotic things are amplified because less people are in the race.
But I was referring to the stuff about Heidi Cruz and his abortion comment yesterday about punishing women if it was illegal. Also, that town hall he did seems to have gotten panned.
Yeah I meant Gore. Like you said its way more toxic now. It's going to be a big deal if Trump has this taken away from him. People already think the system is rigged behind the scenes, this will be the man coming out doing it in the open, and what the fuck are you going to do about it?
They will vote for the R candidate, when the alternative is Hillary. They can bluster all they want, but ultimately most voters come home.Depends who the candidate is IMO. Why I said Cruz.
I really don't think Trump's more nationalistic, protectionist supporters are dying to vote for some RINO-light weakling like John Kasich.
They're not gonna support Hillary. Most of them will support whoever the R candidate is.Cruz still crushed Kasich in the primary process. Good luck handwaving that away and telling voters to just take Kasich and like it.
I'm not really saying it isn't possible, but I am saying it is an awful decision. Trump supporters might be OK with Cruz (doubtful at this point but still salvageable)
GL getting them to support Kasich.
They're not gonna support Hillary. Most of them will support whoever the R candidate is.
They're not gonna support Hillary. Most of them will support whoever the R candidate is.
Sure, and so is 3rd party, which I personally hope is the place where the disaffected go, but the VAST majority will do what they always do, and vote for the party candidate. There won't be enthusiasm no matter who the candidate is. There will be big time negatives no matter who the candidate is for both parties. This is an election where any enthusiasm will be voting against the other party.You do realize voting is not mandatory right? People can just stay home.
You are handwaving this possibility away but when you nominate a guy who got 17% of the primary votes then I'm not sure how much enthusiasm he is going to have. We'll see if it comes about.
I don't think the doom and gloom is limited to just the GOP doesn't want to ride the Trump Train. I think the doom and gloom has a lot to do with the realization that a guy you wholeheartedly supported and were extremely excited about for the last 9 months probably doesn't really want the job.
So if you donated to his campaign, you basically helped finance a 9 month reality TV show. That sucks.