congrats. Tom Brady. greatest QB of all time

[phdinsports]

Very weak come backs, you ignore points I bring up and pretend things like the fumble rates of Baltimore aren't real, or that ball preperation rule changes in 2006 didn't have an effect on anything. You bring the same thing to every post, the same things that has been debunked over and over again. Like I said its tiresome.

It looks to me the Patriots defend themselves on the field YEAR AFTER YEAR....Yet ANOTHER AFC Championship game. But yeah, its the one PSI that makes all the difference....carry on

Very weak come backs!?!?! I proved you WRONG! Pats benefited the most after 2006! Ball preparation in 2006!?!?! Christ that's what I've been saying all along!! When Brady deflated his balls after 2006, their fumbles stats went way down!! I did not pretend Ravens fumble rates aren't real! I said Harbaugh/Flacco teams fumble less than Billick/Boller teams! And the Ravens fumble rate is close to league average 20.5 to 21.7. The Pats when they were using one of their many cheating methods, their fumble rate was way below league average 15.1 to 21.7!! You cannot and will not address this! Nothing I posted has been debunked, everything you posted I have debunked! The only points I ignored is you bringing up numbers from 1996! And I ignored these numbers because they have no relevance to the discussion at hand. That's just you trying too hard to prove that the Pats didn't cheat!

It looks like to me the Patriots cheat on the field YEAR AFTER YEAR....... YET ANOTHER AFC Championship game. This time it's not the PSI but another method yet uncovered. Until the next scandal....carry on.

 

[phdinsports]

phdinsports,my god are u an irritating fuking crybaby loser fuck..............god dude just go away...wtf

Truth hurts you fucking weasel! I would love for you to call me a loser to my face! Gotta love the internet tuff guy.

 

[PatsFan1283]

@PHdinSports

You can attribute most of the differences in fumbling #'s to the league-wide decline and the offense just being a lot better from 07-15. Better offenses that can pass with more ease just fumble less. And having Randy Moss/Gronk and the slot machine receivers was an element from '07 and on that was missing from '01-06.

And then Brady fumbled a lot more earlier in his career as well. Just being better at holding onto the ball when 300 pound guys are hitting him came with being a better overall player. And he became a much better overall player '07 onward. Probably a little before that but the Pats had some weak offenses in '05-06.

 

[festeringZit]

GEDinSports getting his ass handed to him over and over.



Slapping-silly90))kth)(&^

:aktion033azzkick(&^:nohead:

 

[ANOTHERDAY]

Marino was one dimensional, the guy was one of the worst scrambling QBs ever.

He played 17 seasons, and had 12 seasons with negative yards rushing, ROFL what a joke. He has 87 total yards rushing for his whole career!!
That is the worst. The next worst is Fouts with 476.

Just for thought..., Favre, Young, Elway, Moon, Fouts all said Marino was the best passer the game has ever seen. Guess those guys don't know jack shit either

 

[ANOTHERDAY]

Well if Dan played in this era, he'd be knocked silly.

The game is much faster than it was in the 80's.

False....It was much harder then. He had the quickest release of all time, nobody is close except Rodgers. Today you have 5-7 different receivers, back then just 2. Everyone knew who he was throwing to and they could not stop it.

 

[Willie99]

not sure why everyone thinks they can compare different eras, or why someone would be better or worse if they played in a different era, I don't think anyone really can

I believe it's impossible to win who's the greatest of the great arguments, and I believe the greatest of the great will all be great in any era

why on earth would a precision passer not be a precision passer if he played in a different era? makes no sense

 

[PatsFan1283]

False....It was much harder then. He had the quickest release of all time, nobody is close except Rodgers. Today you have 5-7 different receivers, back then just 2. Everyone knew who he was throwing to and they could not stop it.

The way football works is you have 5 offensive lineman and a quarterback, so that is 6 of the 11 positions on the field. So the most eligible receivers you can have is 5. Not 5-7. Although when Brady plays it may seem like that.

And you could throw to TE's and RB's in the 1980's. Infact, the Dolphins did it regularly. Not sure what makes you think the lions share of their targets only went to 2 wide receivers. Look it up.

 

[festeringZit]

The way football works is you have 5 offensive lineman and a quarterback, so that is 6 of the 11 positions on the field. So the most eligible receivers you can have is 5. Not 5-7. Although when Brady plays it may seem like that.

And you could throw to TE's and RB's in the 1980's. Infact, the Dolphins did it regularly. Not sure what makes you think the lions share of their targets only went to 2 wide receivers. Look it up.

ROFL. Smack-down.

 

[KAPTHAT]

Truth hurts you fucking weasel! I would love for you to call me a loser to my face! Gotta love the internet tuff guy.

dont scare me,what do u think about the patriots fumbles

 

[phdinsports]

GEDinSports getting his ass handed to him over and over.



Slapping-silly90))kth)(&^

:aktion033azzkick(&^:nohead:

LMFAO!! I OWNED YOU on this!!!

Dumb hypocritical fool! What happened to this link you posted!?!?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correl...mply_causation

You obviously didn't read it! WTF does the 1996 to 2001 numbers have anything to do with this discussion! Different coaches, systems and quarterbacks. OF course the numbers are going to change, different quarterbacks handling the ball different coach and systems! Got you with your own evidence you provided! Gotta love it!

 

[phdinsports]

@PHdinSports

You can attribute most of the differences in fumbling #'s to the league-wide decline and the offense just being a lot better from 07-15. Better offenses that can pass with more ease just fumble less. And having Randy Moss/Gronk and the slot machine receivers was an element from '07 and on that was missing from '01-06.

And then Brady fumbled a lot more earlier in his career as well. Just being better at holding onto the ball when 300 pound guys are hitting him came with being a better overall player. And he became a much better overall player '07 onward. Probably a little before that but the Pats had some weak offenses in '05-06.

WRONG AGAIN!! Having Moss and Gronk means you're going to pass more. That means more pass attempts more opportunities to fumble. (The top 25 career fumble leaders are all quarterbacks, direct correlation) Brady averaged 510 attempts from 2001-2006. This jumped to 585 from 2007 to 2014. The fumbles should have increased given the increased pass attempts, but of course they did not. They decreased by a record rate, because they CHEATED! And again why has the fumble rate increased since 2014!?!!? Because they got caught!

 

[PatsFan1283]

WRONG AGAIN!! Having Moss and Gronk means you're going to pass more. That means more pass attempts more opportunities to fumble. (The top 25 career fumble leaders are all quarterbacks, direct correlation) Brady averaged 510 attempts from 2001-2006. This jumped to 585 from 2007 to 2014. The fumbles should have increased given the increased pass attempts, but of course they did not. They decreased by a record rate, because they CHEATED! And again why has the fumble rate increased since 2014!?!!? Because they got caught!

Yeah but his sacks went down. He was sacked 100x in his first 3 years.

His avg sack per year is lower in the 2nd time period. Also, like I said he just got better at holding onto the ball. There isn't a stat to prove that but as he became a better player he fumbled less. Saw blitzes better, felt backside pressure. All these things contribute to holding onto the ball more. As does having much better teammates.

01-06 fumbles = 8.6 per yr

07-15 fumbles = 3.9 per yr

So most of the changes can just be attributed to less fumbles leaguewide and the progression/improvement of the offense and 1 player fumbling less.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Guys like Moss, Gronk, Edelman, Welker being open much more than guys like Branch, Givens, Brown, Watson tends to make it harder for defenses to force turnovers.

Brady's INT's went way down despite having significantly more volume in pass attempts as well.

 

[Haystacks]

Marino was one dimensional, the guy was one of the worst scrambling QBs ever.

He played 17 seasons, and had 12 seasons with negative yards rushing, ROFL what a joke. He has 87 total yards rushing for his whole career!!
That is the worst. The next worst is Fouts with 476.

Pay attention Zit......Dan Marino lit up the 86 Bears by using the rollout. 46 defense no problem he will solve it, which he did. Roll out, fire a laser way downfield to a marks brother....touchdown. Watch the game. It was a thing of beauty

 

[phdinsports]

Yeah but his sacks went down. He was sacked 100x in his first 3 years.

His avg sack per year is lower in the 2nd time period. Also, like I said he just got better at holding onto the ball. There isn't a stat to prove that but as he became a better player he fumbled less. Saw blitzes better, felt backside pressure. All these things contribute to holding onto the ball more. As does having much better teammates.

01-06 fumbles = 8.6 per yr

07-15 fumbles = 3.9 per yr

So most of the changes can just be attributed to less fumbles leaguewide and the progression/improvement of the offense and 1 player fumbling less.

Finally correct! He did get better at holding onto the ball because they were CHEATING! LOL! His sacks were 30 per season 2001-2006 then it dropped to 26 sacks per season! Not a significant drop. So I guess each of those extra sacks per season led to 1.25 fumbles. Again why has the fumbles gone up after they were caught cheating? Also if he had much better teammates and he got better, how did those other teams win more Super Bowls?...Oh wait they had Spygate to cheat their way to more Super Bowls with much worse teammates and Brady not being as good! Great job wrapping it up! Until the next scandal....carry on.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Finally correct! He did get better at holding onto the ball because they were CHEATING! LOL! His sacks were 30 per season 2001-2006 then it dropped to 26 sacks per season! Not a significant drop. So I guess each of those extra sacks per season led to 1.25 fumbles. Again why has the fumbles gone up after they were caught cheating? Also if he had much better teammates and he got better, how did those other teams win more Super Bowls?...Oh wait they had Spygate to cheat their way to more Super Bowls with much worse teammates and Brady not being as good! Great job wrapping it up! Until the next scandal....carry on.

I think it is far more likely he fumbled less because he got better at football and their offense was better. He fumbled much more early in his career because he was a young QB. This isn't uncommon.

Fumbles gone up since "caught"? It's just been 1 year. 2015 was a different story. Why did it stay down then? Did it take time to "wear off"? You tell me. Who knows. Tough to take anything from that.

Also in '01, '03 and '04 they had really good defenses. '04 elite running game. Late game variance/injuries went their way rather than against it like later years, etc. Not sure what that has to do with anything. Clearly if you look at the #'s their offenses were much better in the 2nd time frame.

Why did Brady's INT's go down so much in the 2nd frame? Because he and his teammates were better (and because the league as a whole got better at throwing less INT's, just like they got better at less fumbles)

 

[festeringZit]

LMFAO!! I OWNED YOU on this!!!

Dumb hypocritical fool! What happened to this link you posted!?!?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correl...mply_causation

You obviously didn't read it! WTF does the 1996 to 2001 numbers have anything to do with this discussion! Different coaches, systems and quarterbacks. OF course the numbers are going to change, different quarterbacks handling the ball different coach and systems! Got you with your own evidence you provided! Gotta love it!

GEDinSports,

You didn't get me with any evidence, you can't even make a coherent point in here. Not only that, you can't even explain what that wiki page concept even means,
stop pretending like you actually know what you are talking about - because everyone in here knows you don't, and are laughing their ass off at your posts.

 

[phdinsports]

GEDinSports,

You didn't get me with any evidence, you can't even make a coherent point in here. Not only that, you can't even explain what that wiki page concept even means,
stop pretending like you actually know what you are talking about - because everyone in here knows you don't, and are laughing their ass off at your posts.

I used your own link, but you're too dumb to realize it! IDIOT. You agreed with the other poster when he's bringing up numbers from the 90's when Belicheat was coaching against the Pats and Brady was still in high school! Read your own link you posted moron and then come back here and post! Everyone here LMAO! Pats fans maybe, get any unbiased poster with an average or better IQ and they will spell it out to you! I mopped the floor with you! You just posted pictures and name called!

 

[festeringZit]

I used your own link, but you're too dumb to realize it! IDIOT. You agreed with the other poster when he's bringing up numbers from the 90's when Belicheat was coaching against the Pats and Brady was still in high school! Read your own link you posted moron and then come back here and post! Everyone here LMAO! Pats fans maybe, get any unbiased poster with an average or better IQ and they will spell it out to you! I mopped the floor with you! You just posted pictures and name called!

Explain correlation does not imply causation.