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WOW! Look at the amount of kissing up in this thread towards PanAm in their infancy. I think it was overdone by the mods and the owners here. No one's perfect but damn
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It is clear that it is in the Mods/Owners best interests to have happy sponsors and send as many customers to the advertisers' books as possible. They hype these new books beyond belief but I do believe that they get VERY CLOSE to the line of being paid promoters of the books without blatantly c****ing it.
Sometimes you even see a "top X" books list and an advertiser with a SHORT history may even be nominated to be in that list. Funny.
To the Rx's defense, most posters believe that this is a "watchdog" site but I do not recall seeing ANYONE from the Rx ever say that they were or should be considered as such.
If you take the Rx representatives book recommendations with a grain of salt, do your own research, and look for suggestions from posters without a profit motive, you should be able to find a solid book.
WOW! Look at the amount of kissing up in this thread towards PanAm in their infancy. I think it was overdone by the mods and the owners here. No one's perfect but damn
It is clear that it is in the Mods/Owners best interests to have happy sponsors and send as many customers to the advertisers' books as possible. They hype these new books beyond belief but I do believe that they get VERY CLOSE to the line of being paid promoters of the books without blatantly c****ing it.
Sometimes you even see a "top X" books list and an advertiser with a SHORT history may even be nominated to be in that list. Funny.
To the Rx's defense, most posters believe that this is a "watchdog" site but I do not recall seeing ANYONE from the Rx ever say that they were or should be considered as such.
If you take the Rx representatives book recommendations with a grain of salt, do your own research, and look for suggestions from posters without a profit motive, you should be able to find a solid book.
I have posted this before, the sooner off-shore bettors figure it out it out the better off they will be - IMHO. Something we all need to remember here is that (especially US residents)we are gambling illegally. Please don't mistakenly compare sending money to a foreign country to bet on sporting events with buying a vacum cleaner at Sears. You don't get to bring it back for a refund if you don't like it. Spotsbetting with bookmakers is, and always has been a buyer beware situation. Sure web-sites like this one can help make choices where your money might have the best chance to not get stolen, but there are no guaranteed money back offers to be had. We are all big boys who know what we are doing, so IMO if you are pointing fingers at anyone but yourself if you are robbed, burned, or the victim of any other kind misfortune, please take a look in the mirror first before you blame anyone but yourself. Take responsibility for your own actions. A novel concept I know, but well worth the effort.
wil.
wil.
Swami agree with most of what you said, my problem though is the constant and shameless romancing of books here at this site not just PanAm. It seems like every time one goes down another gets pumped up. Do I expect for them to know the financials of a book they OVERhype, not necessarily but do I expect for them to straight shoot with the posting population and not treat them like idiots, yes. I know promotion is part of the game but when it's done in a reckless manner, it's disturbing JMHO.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> We are all big boys who know what we are doing, so IMO if you are pointing fingers at anyone but yourself if you are robbed, burned, or the victim of any other kind misfortune, please take a look in the mirror first before you blame anyone but yourself. Take responsibility for your own actions. A novel concept I know, but well worth the effort.
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Got to say in this rare case Wilheim, I disagree.
Certainly we are all responsible for our own actions, but we must rely on what we perceive to be industry leaders for recommendations.
The Rx is a leader and this topic will get a lot of attention as we sort through the wrekage, but the accountability for most extends beyond the individual in this case...
jmho my friend
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Got to say in this rare case Wilheim, I disagree.
Certainly we are all responsible for our own actions, but we must rely on what we perceive to be industry leaders for recommendations.
The Rx is a leader and this topic will get a lot of attention as we sort through the wrekage, but the accountability for most extends beyond the individual in this case...
jmho my friend
Wil, I too am a huge believer in personal accountability. That is why I do my homework before I play somewhere on all the forums. Granted I could have called the Panamanian authorities and asked if a bond that was trumpeted all over the place here actually existed, but I did not. Somehow I don't think that I'm fully to blame for that one though.
Certainly from now on I won't believe a word I read from somebody in the business of advertising. But then what exactly is Ken hoping this site's purpose is?
Certainly from now on I won't believe a word I read from somebody in the business of advertising. But then what exactly is Ken hoping this site's purpose is?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by go2guy:
Swami agree with most of what you said, my problem though is the constant and shameless romancing of books here at this site not just PanAm. It seems like every time one goes down another gets pumped up. Do I expect for them to know the financials of a book they OVERhype, not necessarily but do I expect for them to straight shoot with the posting population and not treat them like idiots, yes. I know promotion is part of the game but when it's done in a reckless manner, it's disturbing JMHO.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I hear ya but if you look at recent history, consider the way the folks here get paid, and read what they do and do not say..it is clear that they are biased. Most times they will deny this but IMHO most of the mods/owners are extremely biased.
With that said, I do believe that when there is a dispute between a poster/player and an advertiser (or even books that do not advertise) they step in and try to help. If you understand their position it is much easier to stomach the BS they sometimes spew. My guess is that they could still rake in the $$$ if they were a bit more independent but they have a formula that works fairly well.
When the hype machine gets going it still makes me sick but I just try to move on and look for the valuable information posted. This is still an excellent site and some of the Rx folks post good information you just have to filter it.
Swami agree with most of what you said, my problem though is the constant and shameless romancing of books here at this site not just PanAm. It seems like every time one goes down another gets pumped up. Do I expect for them to know the financials of a book they OVERhype, not necessarily but do I expect for them to straight shoot with the posting population and not treat them like idiots, yes. I know promotion is part of the game but when it's done in a reckless manner, it's disturbing JMHO.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I hear ya but if you look at recent history, consider the way the folks here get paid, and read what they do and do not say..it is clear that they are biased. Most times they will deny this but IMHO most of the mods/owners are extremely biased.
With that said, I do believe that when there is a dispute between a poster/player and an advertiser (or even books that do not advertise) they step in and try to help. If you understand their position it is much easier to stomach the BS they sometimes spew. My guess is that they could still rake in the $$$ if they were a bit more independent but they have a formula that works fairly well.
When the hype machine gets going it still makes me sick but I just try to move on and look for the valuable information posted. This is still an excellent site and some of the Rx folks post good information you just have to filter it.
Sun Devil, Dogball, I appreciate the feedback and do respect both of your opinions. Let me point out something, web-sites like the Rx. and many others, do have advertisers that support the site, and for that they get PREFERRED status. Never is one quaranteed, only at best, strongly recommended. Should Sun Devil have to call the Panamanian government, of course not, you (Sun Devil) like a lot of us belived Bet Pan Am to be no greater risk than any other books we all had the option to send our money to since they opened. Unfortunately we were wrong, is it the fault of the Rx. or some other web-site they advertise on? No it is ultimately our own decision where we send our money. Ok right now I am a mod for The Rx. big deal, to be totally honest I never have given the preferred list a look before I chose where to send my money, but that is my choice. This forum is not any different than a tout in the sense, that they can only make a prediction based on what they know and feel regardiing a sportsbook, nothing is ever guaranteed in this business. Just like there is no such thing a sure winner of any given game before it starts.
wil.
wil.
