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Some things you just can't stop. But hey, at least the law abiding citizens ofChicago are safe now that they don't have any guns.

Let me start by saying this is: I am a anti-gun guy. Never owned one and don't ever plan to. With that being said the problems that plague this country have nothing to do with gun control and that is why I don't think enacting more stringent guns laws will benefit anyone. I think stricter gun laws only hurt or hinder law-abiding citizens. The people in the Chicagoland shootings are not purchasing guns legally. So, again stricter guns laws will do nothing to curb the violence. The bigger problem that exists IMO is out lack harsh punishment. I am anti-death penalty, but if the law is on the books, then regardless of my personal feelings, start enforcing laws. Far worse poverty exists in many other countries in the world, but with the exception of NW Africa, why do these other countries not suffer from as much violence as we do at home. There is a problem that exists that is beyond gun control and harsher sentences. The question is what is it?
 

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If they don't get better laws, they need to build more gun ranges in the hoods so these gangstas learn to shoot a little straighter...
 

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WELCOME TO CHICAGO.

Reducing the # of those on welfare every weekend.
 

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Let me start by saying this is: I am a anti-gun guy. Never owned one and don't ever plan to. With that being said the problems that plague this country have nothing to do with gun control and that is why I don't think enacting more stringent guns laws will benefit anyone. I think stricter gun laws only hurt or hinder law-abiding citizens. The people in the Chicagoland shootings are not purchasing guns legally. So, again stricter guns laws will do nothing to curb the violence. The bigger problem that exists IMO is out lack harsh punishment. I am anti-death penalty, but if the law is on the books, then regardless of my personal feelings, start enforcing laws. Far worse poverty exists in many other countries in the world, but with the exception of NW Africa, why do these other countries not suffer from as much violence as we do at home. There is a problem that exists that is beyond gun control and harsher sentences. The question is what is it?
Agree with every single word you said. Although much of Chicago is riddled with low income, they still have enough dough to purchase a weapon. I really don't have an answer for you, other than getting extreme, and possible declaring Marshall law on that particular area, and cleaning it out, house by house. Good luck with that. There's not a politician in America with the balls to do it.
 

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If it doesn't start getting better, Kurt Russell might have to start gearing up for his next blockbuster movie Escape From Chicago.
 

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I prefer the non-negotiable laws with an automatic sentence. We don't have enough of these on the books imo.

So that should be the jumping off point? We shouldn't start with enforcing existing laws, then and only then making new ones?.........really?
What happens in 5-10 years from now when those are not being enforced?.....oh , I know, pass more laws.
 

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I prefer the non-negotiable laws with an automatic sentence. We don't have enough of these on the books imo.

Yes, more laws.....

Do you want to only enforce just the new ones, or all of them?

I know, once we pass new ones, then and only then we will make an attempt at enforcing all of the existing ones.
 

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So that should be the jumping off point? We shouldn't start with enforcing existing laws, then and only then making new ones?.........really?
What happens in 5-10 years from now when those are not being enforced?.....oh , I know, pass more laws.
The trouble is the existing laws don't offer stiff enough sentences. And most of these sentences are negotiated down by lawyers. Prisons are basically now just prep schools for gang members when they are released. When they go back out on the streets and rejoin their gangs they are even more hardened and violent. So what have we gained by the sentencing structures we have on the books now? Nothing.
 

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The trouble is the existing laws don't offer stiff enough sentences. And most of these sentences are negotiated down by lawyers. Prisons are basically now just prep schools for gang members when they are released. When they go back out on the streets and rejoin their gangs they are even more hardened and violent. So what have we gained by the sentencing structures we have on the books now? Nothing.
So this new law you propose, you want enforced right?

Do you want to enforce the existing ones or not? You haven't said anything about that in this entire thread......why?
 

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Agree with every single word you said. Although much of Chicago is riddled with low income, they still have enough dough to purchase a weapon. I really don't have an answer for you, other than getting extreme, and possible declaring Marshall law on that particular area, and cleaning it out, house by house. Good luck with that. There's not a politician in America with the balls to do it.

There are low income parts of cities in every state in America and in most, you don't have the problem they do in Chicago. The issue is not based on income. NYC doesn't have the amount of murders Chicago does but has a much larger population including low income neighborhoods? Why?
 

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So this new law you propose, you want enforced right?

Do you want to enforce the existing ones or not? You haven't said anything about that in this entire thread......why?

We've said it to you a few times and you keep ignoring it. The existing laws and punishments don't work. They have no bite.
 

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There are low income parts of cities in every state in America and in most, you don't have the problem they do in Chicago. The issue is not based on income. NYC doesn't have the amount of murders Chicago does but has a much larger population including low income neighborhoods? Why?
I give up. Enlighten me.
 

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I give up. Enlighten me.

Master, I don't have the answer. I've said it a few times over the years on this topic...it's a complicated topic and I don't have the answers. I do know we have a problem and to sit by and do nothing is not the answer.
 

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Master, I don't have the answer. I've said it a few times over the years on this topic...it's a complicated topic and I don't have the answers. I do know we have a problem and to sit by and do nothing is not the answer.
Ok, first of it's not Master. Hope that wasn't an insult but rather a mistake. I don't either. The closest thing would be implementing Marshall law. Never gonna happen. No one would have the balls and those not involved would just be guilty by association. It would end up a cluster fuck but would be the only thing that would work.
 

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Ok, first of it's not Master. Hope that wasn't an insult but rather a mistake. I don't either. The closest thing would be implementing Marshall law. Never gonna happen. No one would have the balls and those not involved would just be guilty by association. It would end up a cluster fuck but would be the only thing that would work.

Ooops, obviously a mistake and not an insult. My fault. And no, Marshall Law is not the answer and it's not the only thing we can try that MAY work. Again, I don't have the answers but the status quo doesn't work and is unacceptable IMO.
 

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So this new law you propose, you want enforced right?

Do you want to enforce the existing ones or not? You haven't said anything about that in this entire thread......why?
Of course I want laws to be enforced. The problem is there are many different types of laws with open ended sentences. A law is basically just a legal guideline that serves as a legal basis for prosecution. The punishment required by the law is meant to be a deterrent. And they are supposed to be aimed at deterring an individual from committing that offense again. The problem is it gets caught up in the legal system. And by the time the lawyers from both sides negotiate it down from it's original intent, the sentence is basically worthless. You can draw your own conclusions about how gun laws are enforced. But an actual trial and a mandatory 25 year sentence takes the attorneys out of the negotiating process and gets these gangs members off the streets permanently. And I like that idea..
 

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Of course I want laws to be enforced. The problem is there are many different types of laws with open ended sentences. A law is basically just a legal guideline that serves as a legal basis for prosecution. The punishment required by the law is meant to be a deterrent. And they are supposed to be aimed at deterring an individual from committing that offense again. The problem is it gets caught up in the legal system. And by the time the lawyers from both sides negotiate it down from it's original intent, the sentence is basically worthless. You can draw your own conclusions about how gun laws are enforced. But an actual trial and a mandatory 25 year sentence takes the attorneys out of the negotiating process and gets these gangs members off the streets permanently. And I like that idea..

It's the same as capital punishment. It's supposed to be a deterrent yet it doesn't work. Why? Because it's not enforced in a timely matter. It has no teeth.
 

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Ooops, obviously a mistake and not an insult. My fault. And no, Marshall Law is not the answer and it's not the only thing we can try that MAY work. Again, I don't have the answers but the status quo doesn't work and is unacceptable IMO.
I don't think this will be solved in my lifetime, that's for sure. Figured it's was a mistake, no biggie. But it may come down to Marshall law some day.
 

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