Nobody says there is no such thing as hot streaks or cold streaks. Nobody says there is no such thing as hot or cold tables.
The only thing the math people are saying is there is no way to tell when that hot or cold streak is going to end.
If every hot streak lasted the exact same amount of hands or rolls you would have a point. But this is not the case so there is no way of charting a table for future events based on past events.
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None of the math people ever said there was no such thing as hot/cold tables.
Not one time ever.
So the point is charting is worthless and meaningless.
I'll say it, there is no such thing as a hot/cold table.
Each hand/spin/roll is an independent event, and the previous hands have no effect on the current hand.
Even if you are counting cards at blackjack, and the count is positive, the dealer still has as good of a chance of getting a great hand as you do, and your edge over the house is minimal. At a true count of +2 your edge over the house is ~.5%. At a rare true count of +6 your edge is ~+2.5% hardly what one might call
a "hot" table.
The only way one can conceive of a table being "hot" is by looking at previous events, which again have no bearing on the next roll (or very little bearing if you're counting cards at blackjack).
If you sat there and flipped a coin and got 5 heads in a row, would you say that coin is "hot?" It's asinine.
Hey Chop,
Your 27 billion posts indicate that you are a powerful man..... so, certainly I don't disagree with that.
But..... I do believe if you check..... there was a multi-page thread in here a while back where math guys were arguing passionately and violently that hot tables DO NOT exist.
My whole point is;
1) I fully understand the math. Everyone else needs to understand things don't not work out that way unless you play 24 hours a day for about.... FOREVER!
2) If you are a reasonably efficient BJ player….. Knowing the math on each hand (basic strategy) absolutely maximizes your chance to prevail on each hand. BUT….. Say you only very seldom ever make a mistake in basis strategy…. Let’s say the house has a 2% edge over you. (Guesstimate) You WILL NOT win 49 out of each and every 100 hands. Little sub-sets of hot and cold runs will happen sometimes.
3) Quite obviously we can’t know when these hot streaks will start or stop. But for your sanity, please understand that they are coming at some point. I ABSOLUTELY never said anything about CHARTING something.
That’s why the casinos invented the stupid “tower type” thing that stands next to the roulette wheel. Just to pick on feeble minded gamblers.
People lacking any experience in a serious BJ game for meaningful money are the ones that quote all the math about “long-run”. We all know that stuff….. But it matters not in this lifetime. Perfectly correct, but meaningful…. But fun to talk about when a guy knows nothing about how the game really plays out.
Just like anyone who thinks they can win betting baseball by knowing all the stats. If you don’t know a hell of lots more than cold stats….. your ass is fried. A “feel” for so many other things is required to win.
Young bucks talk about all the stats and set up their LOCKS….. and have no chance. All the stats in the world are already in the price.
Just trying to help. Not trying to deny the math long range. Just pointing out that short term… anything can happen. And paying close attention and handling those streaks the best you can….. Will greatly affect you in the near term.
Your 27 billion posts indicate that you are a powerful man..... so, certainly I don't disagree with that.
But..... I do believe if you check..... there was a multi-page thread in here a while back where math guys were arguing passionately and violently that hot tables DO NOT exist.
My whole point is;
1) I fully understand the math. Everyone else needs to understand things don't not work out that way unless you play 24 hours a day for about.... FOREVER!
2) If you are a reasonably efficient BJ player….. Knowing the math on each hand (basic strategy) absolutely maximizes your chance to prevail on each hand. BUT….. Say you only very seldom ever make a mistake in basis strategy…. Let’s say the house has a 2% edge over you. (Guesstimate) You WILL NOT win 49 out of each and every 100 hands. Little sub-sets of hot and cold runs will happen sometimes.
3) Quite obviously we can’t know when these hot streaks will start or stop. But for your sanity, please understand that they are coming at some point. I ABSOLUTELY never said anything about CHARTING something.
That’s why the casinos invented the stupid “tower type” thing that stands next to the roulette wheel. Just to pick on feeble minded gamblers.
People lacking any experience in a serious BJ game for meaningful money are the ones that quote all the math about “long-run”. We all know that stuff….. But it matters not in this lifetime. Perfectly correct, but meaningful…. But fun to talk about when a guy knows nothing about how the game really plays out.
Just like anyone who thinks they can win betting baseball by knowing all the stats. If you don’t know a hell of lots more than cold stats….. your ass is fried. A “feel” for so many other things is required to win.
Young bucks talk about all the stats and set up their LOCKS….. and have no chance. All the stats in the world are already in the price.
Just trying to help. Not trying to deny the math long range. Just pointing out that short term… anything can happen. And paying close attention and handling those streaks the best you can….. Will greatly affect you in the near term.
Spoken like a true math master. I would certainly not sat the coin was "hot" Would not even take its temperature. I WOULD say a streak of 'heads' is occurring. You would say.... Streaks don't exist.... if you flip this coin until you are 271 years old.... the heads and tails will come out 50/50.
Several hundreds of hours at the tables..... no need to do into to that.
NO. You still don't get it. It has nothing to do with playing "24 hours a day... FOREVER." Nothing.
It has to do with:
1. The previous events HAVE NO FUCKING BEARING ON THE CURRENT HAND
2. ALL HOT/COLD streaks can only be referred to as in the past, not the present and ---> THEY HAVE NO FUCKING BEARING ON THE CURRENT HAND/ROLL/SPIN
It has NOTHING to do with long range vs. short range math.
So you don't recognize that streaks happen. Now we are just discussing something else. Just trying to establish that they do happen.
Next step is to recognize that a streak cannot continue if it has not yet started?
Just messing with you Zit. I need to bail. I am discussing real world experience (in short term) that HAS happened at the tables. Can't overcome philosophical statistics (long term).
Next step is to recognize that a streak cannot continue if it has not yet started?
Just messing with you Zit. I need to bail. I am discussing real world experience (in short term) that HAS happened at the tables. Can't overcome philosophical statistics (long term).
