Casablanca concern ?

Java · Jul 15, 2004

Just Do It-
There have been plenty that put Casablanca down (even Shrink says he warned them about this). I just try to contribute to this forum by pointing out a false/inconsistent argument.

You need to realize that Casablanca's ownership has at least two faces. One is the public face the players see. Casablanca has usually been good about paying the players. (though Areef may take exception to that)

The other face is how they do business: treating employees, cheating business partners and ducking out on former landlords.

The main rule that I've been able to discern is that if they think they can get away with something, they will try.
Can they be trusted to honor a wager on tape? Yes.
Can they be trusted to honor a deal if they can get out of paying? No.

Casablanca no longer uses the original software I developed, so no need to stay. Who said I was bitter? I don't like the owners of Casablanca, but that's only because I happen know them.

justdoit+ · Jul 15, 2004

Java,

Thanks for the response,I was just curious on your views.

krackman · Jul 15, 2004

They pay like a clock and have some of the best bonuses in the biz.

The thing between Java and casablanca is a personal issue and should not concern the gambling public.

Java · Jul 15, 2004

Krackman-
Their public face is fine. It is their private face and how they do business that I was addressing. Casablanca's defense that the similarity between betCBS and CBS is a coincidence is simply false. Shrink has been aware of this for years.

Their statement "We feel that at least one of us will be taking the BS out of CBS." fails to acknowledge who really created the BS.

Dave Johnson's worst enemy is himself when he attempts long explanations about his actions and fills them with lies, contradictions and exaggerations.

Casablanca does pay players. However, this is not because they are 'honorable', but rather because not-paying is bad for business. Don't confuse economics with ethics.

SENDITIN · Jul 15, 2004

Heard the following regarding their bonus program:

As of yesterday all NEW customers will be offered a NEW volume bonus rebate plan that is detailed on their website. All EXISTING customers may keep their EXISTING plans or switch to the new one.

Can anyone confirm the above?

agreeen · Jul 15, 2004

Java

your lack of proffesionalism is evident in your bashing of Casablanca...you are obviously a disgruntled ex-employee and some would say a two bit thief...I see no need to air your dirty laundry on this forum as I have more class and dignity then apparently you do!

Casablanca has always paid me large amounts on time and often..i continue to use them with the utmost confidence knowing that their financial backing has the deepest of pockets

In regards to the switch from CBS to Wagerweb it was probably long overdue from a business and legal standpoint..i wouldnt fault them because they have backed down from potential litigation with a gorilla like CBS Broadcasting I see no reason why this minor change in a domain name should be a cause for concern!

ivanm · Jul 15, 2004

Java I like how you try to discredit Casabalanca, and attatch the Shrinks name to your posts. If Shrink or anyone else has something to say about them let them say it in their words. Its not right to make it out like they are the next betpanam, because you have a personal beef with them. Maybe you should be airing your problem with them. This is kind of childish, I propose a fight Dave J. Vs Java for bragging rights

paulajackson · Jul 15, 2004

SENDITIN,

How is you're post relevant to this thread? If you want to advertise their new plans start a new thread or post in a relevant one. Your post makes you look like a shill. Many sportsbooks run promotions but that is not the topic of this thread.

Thank you,

Paula

pokerr · Jul 15, 2004

you people are getting ahead of yourselves, incorporating the CBS in their name has probaly done very well for them over the years, there is nothing from an ethical standpoint not to do this, if you want to talk about unethical, lets talk about the Execs at the REAL CBS, now that they were confronted with a legal situation they simply changed their brand name, i dont know why anyone would worry about your funds with a book thats paid for 7 years with no hitches over something as silly as this

why would you Java listen to a guy thats egging you on who shoved betpanam down his readers throats

if he were being paid, his tune would not be the same, look at V-Wager for your latest example

just my $0.02

pokerr · Jul 15, 2004

many companys do things of this kind to gain publicity, goldenpalce for example or bodog pres making the most ridiculous campaign about being kidnapped in the jungle, now that would worry me if i had funds there

SENDITIN · Jul 15, 2004

How is you're post relevant to this thread? If you want to advertise their new plans start a new thread or post in a relevant one. Your post makes you look like a shill. Many sportsbooks run promotions but that is not the topic of this thread.

Dear Paula,

Please read the 2nd and 3rd responses in this thread. IF they were cancelling all of their bonus programs this would also dovetail into the title heading of "Casablanca concern"

paulajackson · Jul 15, 2004

SENDITIN,

After further review your remarks are not as out of line as I had presumed. I had read the opening of the thread much earlier in the day and was more focused on the current flow than the original post. Didn't mean to attack you, but in general it annoys me when posters try to place ads in the middle of a thread when it doesn't really belong.

sorry,

paula

Java · Jul 15, 2004

Agreeen-
1) I call them as I see them. I know the owners of Casablanca to be untrustworthy in business dealings.
2) "a two bit thief"? You clearly have me confused with someone else. What did I ever steal?
3) I don't expect you or any other shills that actually know the 'dirty laundry' to air it, because that will be an invitation for me to set the record straight.
4) DougJ was the one who was concerned and started this thread. I was merely pointing out that Casablanca intentionally picked betCBS to cash in on the trademark, and that CBS is correct.
5) I posted a graphic with their logo, so the readers could judge for themselves (and CBS if they read the forums

).

Ivanm-
1) I like how I try to discredit them too: with my first hand experiences and the contradictions in their own claims.
2) Shrink did say it in his own words. I was just pointing out that Shrink's previous knowledge of their intent "They knew it was misleading and wrong." is consistent with my position.
3) They are not the next Panam. They screw the people they do business with (landlords, telecommunication service providers, etc.) but they are very good to their customers. The owners have VERY deep pockets. If they ever tried to pull a Panam, the moderators and others would start publishing their real names and home addresses in the States.

PokerR-
Don't confuse my acknowledgement of Shrink to be an approval of the Panam situation. I support Shrink only on facts I can back up myself or ethical issues on which we happen to have the same opinion.

ivanm · Jul 15, 2004

I think the only way to settle this is for a fight. I would fly down to watch, I think a lot of others would also. I will put up 10k for Java to fight one of the guys at Casablanca, if he wins.

SENDITIN · Jul 15, 2004

but they are very good to their customers. The owners have VERY deep pockets.

That's all the players care about. Landlords and business providers have legal recourse if they so choose...the players have zippo if things go sour.

Java · Jul 15, 2004

Ivanm-
A few questions:

1) How would a fight resolve an ethical debate?
2) How would a fight change the logo's history?
3) If CBS sends over their guys to fight Casablanca's guys, should that determine the fate of the CBS trademark?
4) How personal is this for you (a supposed newbie poster) to be willing to put up 10K to watch a programmer fight?
5) Do you expect me to "click them to death" with my mouse?
6) Do you have any constructive hobbies?

My personal fight choice is to continue hitting them on the head with the truth, like a cyber version of whack-a-mole.

Java · Jul 15, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by SENDITIN:
_but they are very good to their customers. The owners have VERY deep pockets._

That's all the players care about. Landlords and business providers have legal recourse if they so choose...the players have zippo if things go sour.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The landlords and business providers would have legal recourse, IF the owners used their real names and addresses (or didn't skip the country). I would suspect that Casablanca was partial motivated to cave to avoid having CBS track down their real identities.

pokherplyr · Jul 15, 2004

For what it is worth;
I have done business with Casablanca (now WagerWeb) for a few years. I have a few emails back and for with Dave Johnson. He has always been accessible.

The few times I have requested w/d's, have all been paid promptly.

I just spoke with Irene, in CS, asking if my 5% rebate/week plan had been changed and she informed me that it was MY option if I wanted to keep it or move to one of their new promotions. I elected to remain with the status quo.

pp

Java · Jul 15, 2004

Pokherplyr-
You are right. Dave Johnson takes customer service VERY seriously. A few years ago he upgraded the old tape system to an electronic one that allowed him to listen to calls through his PC. He really reamed his customer support staff when he heard poorly handled calls.

pokerr · Jul 15, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Java:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by SENDITIN:
_but they are very good to their customers. The owners have VERY deep pockets._

That's all the players care about. Landlords and business providers have legal recourse if they so choose...the players have zippo if things go sour.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The landlords and business providers would have legal recourse, IF the owners used their real names and addresses (or didn't skip the country). I would suspect that Casablanca was partial motivated to cave to avoid having CBS track down their real identities.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

YOUR A MORON!!