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marc

Your logic is just very skewed.

Note that you begin with the speculation that WP had access to Buckeye's client info.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Had WP, so desired, they probably could have gained access to Buckeye's client info. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then you treat what is "probably" true (in your opinion) as a foregone conclusion:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Bottom line, no self respecting company, gives another company, and certainly not a competitor access to its secure servers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your conclusion that WP had access to Buckeye's servers starts out as "probably" true, then in the next sentence it turns into a "bottom line" conclusion.

I notice that you amended your position from what Buckeye "knew" to what they "should have known." There is a big difference between the two, it is the difference between knowingly assisting a bad book, and inadvertently assisting a bad book. It appears to me, particularly in light of RIO's vouching, that the latter is true--Buckeye did not knowingly assist WP in robbing gamblers.

I don't think that it is fair to take a shot at Buckeye, a company that has never been guilty of a slow pay or no pay.

Just my .02

GL

 

[The Guesser]

Ham, have no idea where you're coming from. Marc laid it out very well and very logically. Buckeye had access to WP accounts, was willing to take Bets from WP customers without any notion of paying in that last week, and now runs away from it all. To absolve Buckeye of any blame is absurd, regardless of what their prior rep may have been. Their rep has rightfully taken a hit, and they are the only ones that can restore it, instead of pulling a Freddie Prinze "It's Not My Job" act.

 

Guesser

The fact that Buckeye took calls on WP's behalf does not, in my opinion, create a responsibility for Buckeye to pay out on those wagers.

Your speculation that Buckeye knew of WP's situation is reasonable, though not conclusive.

I would not libel a company unless I were POSITIVE that I was speaking the truth, but that is just me....and that is where I am coming from.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Peep:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>as Peep informed me he would be more comfortable without me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Uh, let's stick to a few facts O.K.?

_I e-mailed you asking you to please re-consider your decision to resign from the ad board. I went on to say that I thought you were one of my strongest supporters there._

I said some of your posts made me "uncomfortable". Phuck man, grow a set. Getting up in the morning sometimes makes me uncomforable....

What the hell ever happened to personal responsibility?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


LOL!!????? Peep, I can not figure you out man, seriously. You are known to spin things and change stuff around but why waste it on something like this? I don't get it. I'm not complaining about being off the board, hell I was doing you a favor. I honestly don't get it. Are you kidding or just trying to fight some more? Let me refresh your memory Peep.....

I e-mailed you asking about sig lines during the war with Dogball, you said you did not want unfair attacks on him. Your response was even though you spoke out on Dogball being treated unfairly, you agreed I was being treated unfairly as well. HOWEVER, I posted something mean to you A YEAR AGO that was "more unfair than what I was getting"!! Out of respect for you I won't post it here, but it was a very serious and severe accusation that made me feel awful you sent me. Something that would make anyone here feel like shit!!! Then you went on to say because of that war of words we were in you just do not feel comfortable with me on the board. This sound familiar yet Peep?

At this point I knew what you wanted was for me to leave. Hell even though I enjoyed it back there and all I couldn't make you live through the hell I was putting you through. I wanted to make sure though you wouldn't change your mind after I said I would leave. I said if you will give me time to say good-bye back there I would appreciate it. I wanted to make sure you weren't drunk or something and would later reconsider. I hoped you would change your mind the next day but wanted to let you know that I would resign if you still felt the same way. At this point when I gave my word I would quit is when you came back with the "do what you have to do" though. Yes you said you were losing a supporter and all but you never backed off what you said initially in order to get me to quit. You emphasized how drastic our war of words was to you back then and how severe of an impact it still had on you. I could tell at that point what I had to do. Though you softened the blow I could tell it was so you would later say something like you are now, it was my decision and had nothing to do with you. LOL. One of two things made you send that e-mail, if true I really should leave so you feel comfortable back there. Or even if for some reason you lied (which I don't think you did) or overexaggerated than for you to take that big a step meant you were desperate for me to leave anyway. I know how much you don't like Joe, Sprio, Krackman and others, was afraid since I liked those people I might be next anyway. You did not say anything about any posts making you feel uncomfortable, just me in general made you uncomfortable. When you stuck by that I left like I thought you wanted me to.

So please correct me if anything is wrong in what I said. In fact I have the e-mails if you want to post them. Since I almost ruined your life according to what you said I would never in a million years post them unless you asked. This is a typical Peep move to get what he wanted. Even when I do what you want you now twist it like you had nothing to do with it, LOL. It was done because of you and out of respect for you. Please don't try and twist that around, geez. You bring up something that was a year old, something we apologized for over the phone and had moved past?? In case you forget you also called me a lying Irish scumbag. You were even an employee of the site Peep, would that not piss you off? After that when I came over to post you swore to folks I was also posting as Satan and we were the same person etc.... Of course I eventually retaliated. However when we spoke on the phone and apologized I moved on!! Thought you had too. Sucked for me to find out months after I am on the board you still had bad feelings over it. That was the only thing I complained about. When us three were on the phone moving past it why act like it was over if it wasn't? I wasted a lot of time I didn't have to.

After all this time why would you bring this up if you did not want me off the board? Just answer that question Peep so I can understand. That was some stuff you told me that would make anyone feel bad. To be honest I don't see why you are arguing over this? I'm not trying to get on the board again? I have never complained about it. Even today I think the right thing was done. I said in the e-mail if you have not been able to forget about it from a year ago you will never forget about it now. You agreed. You threw a monster sized guilt trip on me, I still assume it is true and I still feel awful about it. It's not fair for me to make you feel that way so I apologized profusely to you for the damage I did and resigned. What else could I have done!!!?!!?

This is exactly why I say you and your flame wars are bad for the site. Who really wins these things Peep? Do you think you win if some of your cronies comes in and denounces me now? Is that what you are after so you feel better about yourself? I am off the board and I was one that loved it as much as anyone else. All over because you couldn't get over a flame war YOU started. You start stuff with posters than run screaming on how someone was mean to you later. This is one reason why I say the site has gone the wrong way IMO. Hell Ken and I have had horrible fights but have apologized and moved on!!! You can't seem to do it Peep. I apologized to you and resigned off the board when you told me how you felt. What else did you want Peep? Now come to find out that wasn't enough either? Another example of why you need to grow up and learn to move on......

[This message was edited by Patrick McIrish on 03-24-03 at 12:19 AM.]

 

[marc]

Ham,

I only know for sre what has been posted. But what has been posted, and what everyone seems to agree upon, is that there was in fact a memebr of Buckeye's staff who did have access to WP's accounts, and this person or person's was able to take wagers over the phone. The only way this could have happened, was either this person had 2 computers in front of him/her, one which was on the Buckeye network, and one which was on the WP network. or all the computers were being run off the same network. I don't know which it was, but it wouldn't suprise me, if all the computers were on the same network. Which from a security standpoint is an absolutely terrible idea.

BTW, maybe someone can answer tis for me, who was making the lines for WP. Was that also being done by buckeye. Just seems to me that buckeye was doing an awful lot of work for WP. It's hard to believe that they weren't getting compensated, or expecting to get compensated for it.

If Buckeye had been smart, they would never had gotten involved with WP. And at a minimum, they should have kicked WP out of their office long ago. They made one misstep after another. And understand, buckeye may well have had the best of intentions, but there actions created the impression that Buckeye and WP were finacially intertwined. And it may well be, that some people posted up at WP, because Buckeye had such a good repuation, and from all apearences, it looked like Buckeye was suporting them.

The impression I get from Buckeye's response, is that they're position is that they were simply trying to do WP a favor. And now they are taking heat for having tried to be a nice guy and help out. And what i'm saying is that, they're not taking heat becuase they did someone a favor, they are taking heat, becuase they made a lot of foolish decisions. And those decisions, may have cost a lot of people a lot of money.

What I'd ike to see is for Buckeye to come out, acknowledge that they made a lot of bad decisions. Acknowledge that their actions could have led a reasonable person to the belief that Buckeye had a financial interest in WP. And do something to help those players who sent money to, or left money at WP, becuase they believed that they were being backed by Buckeye.

 

marc

well taken

GL, take it ease

 

[spidermonkey]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> BTW, maybe someone can answer tis for me, who was making the lines for WP <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


i think they all buy their lines from whoever sells the software, there are a few other sites that have the same setup.

and as i've said multiple times buckeye had access to my wagersparadise account and was more than happy to take wagers for me on it.

 

[SPIVE]

I can only surmise...

WAGERS PARADISE & BUCKEYE SPORTS shared the same bed...now going through a divorce.

...while Patrick McIrish, the Shrink and Peep haven't shared the same bed...but need to.

Concluding...

Personal relationships are never resolved publicly, while "paradise" is never found "wagering" at Sport Books claiming such.



Those attempting to find balance upon the fence boardering Players and Makers eventually fall...where they land is all that matters.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>After all this time why would you bring this up if you did not want me off the board? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's an easy one. Follow the steps.

1. I did not want you off the board.
2. You said I did.
3. I corrected you.

And I can't wade through all those words, you are worst that a phucking politician for retoric. [q]In the future stick to the precedent you just set and put things I should bother reading/answering in bold.[/b]

The rest of the stuff only a mother could read....

 

[Fishhead]

Agree......site would be much better without PEEP here. IMO. Thanks.

 

Thanks Fish. Your vote is duly noted.

 

peep, u have mail...i just had a question for ya...whenever u get a chance...

 

Answered Bucsfan.

O.K. if I post your e-mail? Think it is an interesting question.....

 

PM,glad to hear you will be staying around.BTW,never took offense the other day,always respect someone who is passionate about what they believe.

 

[BigDeal+]

PM, Peep may be afraid of you. He is protecting his job.

 

Big Deal, Krackman is already full-time on getting rid of me, I think he has the inside track on this one.

McIrish and your support can only help however.

Not much to protect in the way of a job. The Rx was great before I started, will be after I am gone.

And I was retired when I started here, hope to be when I finish up.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Big Deal:
PM, Peep may be afraid of you. He is protecting his job.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


No not interested in something like this. I don't need the aggravation though I would have continually volunteered for free on the board. Weird thing is the mods and Peep have a very tough job to do as it is. You can never make everyone happy. To me the flame wars make it worse, to Peep they are "hits".

Who knows he may be right. I just think it looks bad for the boss here at RX to be involved in more than any other flamer here. Anyway so it goes. And I do believe along with others Peep is very worried about anyone he see's as competition for his job. Always has been. If you are relax Peep, I promise you I won't take your job. LOL. Even if asked.....

Oh BTW I understand, too much to read in my other post.

Let's drop it. Honestly I had no idea you were going to argue over how I left the board. Didn't think it was a big deal but I won't mention it again. I will say whatever you want just let me know. What is it, I came to you wanting to quit and you desperately tried to talk me out of it? OK. Grandpa used to say why lie when the truth works just as well but so it goes....

 

You lie, I am going to correct it Patrick, simple as that.

I don't know why you would say "I am more involved that any other flamer here.

So now you are labeling me a "flamer". Nice.

Do you feel like you are being flamed sweetie?

You are not.

You lie, I correct it. Not flaming IMO. Just doing my job....

 

More to the point, you claim I wanted you off of advisory board.

I claim I never wanted any such thing. As a matter of fact, I sent you several e-mails asking you to reconsider, stating that I felt you were one of my strongest supporters in ad board.

True or not?

 

Peep - what are you after here? Seriously? I don't wish to argue. Here's a question for you okay, I want to hear what you have to say. After this I need to go talk to some adults.....

I manage a company in which you volunteer on the board to help out. About a year ago you ran over my dog. You and I were upset but eventually moved past it and apologized. Six months later when you are sitting on my board I send you an e-mail that says:

Do you realize the pain you have caused me Peep? My whole family is still wringing thier hands over it!!! That dog you ran over saved my husband once from a fire and is my kids very best friend in the world! We are devastated here!! Every time I see you post back in the board room I feel very uncomfortable about it and it rushes back to me......

Now if it's my board what do you do?

a- Ignore it.
b - Argue that I am lying and get in a flame war over it.
c - Even though you thought it was over, apologize several times and resign off the board.


I did c. In a million years when we are nothing but dust it will still remain I did what I thought you wanted me to do. I did what I thought was right, now you are arguing with me about it. AFTER you told me all that stuff (which above IS just an example that is in no way true) I felt leaving the board was the best. Hell not just best but thge only call anyone can make. I can't ask you to feel like shit every day, it's your board!! Looking back maybe you sent it hoping for "b". Not me Peep, I don't joke about what you sent me. I still feel badly about it. Once my mind was made up and you knew it is when you said the good things about me and how you understood but do what you have to do.

Anyway I know you will have something to say but that story while false is very equal to the level of guilt trip you threw on me. So please unless you lied somewhere about it and are trying to cover your ass can we let this drop? I am not complaining of being off the board, just don't lie and make it sound like I wasn't "encouraged" to leave Peep. I have a screen to turn on. Anyway good luck.....

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