Boston Herald, New York Post and DC Examiner endorse Mccain

[punter]

I can only assume that once you add garlic and pepper to meat that it becomes a vegetable.

 

[festeringZit]

RealEstate, it really cannot be said that I'm on good terms with Zit. But on this occasion I have to agree with him. You did a lot of arguing but very little of it made sense.
Come on, humans, in their different forms, eat meat for several hundreds of thousands of years now, but we are no omnivores? And dogs, direct descendants from wolves, are no carnivores? As much as I detest the use of that term, but you really seem to be a kook.

When my friend Preussen says you are a kook, then you must
truly indeed be a kook.

 

[romer]

I'm not surprised the Boston Herald is endorsing McCain. Boston hates blacks just ask Barry Bonds. Also having a well known criminal like Whitey Bulger should also give a clue.

 

[festeringZit]

I'm not surprised the Boston Herald is endorsing McCain. Boston hates blacks just ask Barry Bonds. Also having a well known criminal like Whitey Bulger should also give a clue.

Oh, so the Boston Herald is endorsing McCain because it hates
blacks? Wow, who would have known?

What do you think of the statistic that up to 95% of blacks in
this country are voting for Obama? Could it be, they are mostly
racists?

 

[Dilrod]

3rd graders all know dogs are omnivores? Really? Even thought they are officially classified as carnivores and the "dogs are omnivores" is widely regarded as a myth? Pffffff STFU I'm done with this dickhole.

 

[realestatepro]

RealEstate, it really cannot be said that I'm on good terms with Zit. But on this occasion I have to agree with him. You did a lot of arguing but very little of it made sense.
Come on, humans, in their different forms, eat meat for several hundreds of thousands of years now, but we are no omnivores? And dogs, direct descendants from wolves, are no carnivores? I detest the use of that term, but you really seem to be a kook.

Made very little sense? You realize that anyone who eats meat and wants to continue eating meat will deny what I say just because they don't want to change. Cats can't go without meat, dogs, though not the best diet can go without meat. For every reference you find that dogs are carnivores I'll find two that say that dogs are omnivores.

 

[ScottL]

Then why do they stop eating grass to chase the mailman?

 

[kingbill]

Bump

 

[realestatepro]

Then why do they stop eating grass to chase the mailman?

:think2:

 

[barman]

Another classic "CGOLD"-started thread which upon a quick skim review shows about five people alternately trading insults and only about one post in ten that has anything to do with the listed Topic

 

[Dilrod]

For every reference you find that dogs are carnivores I'll find two that say that dogs are omnivores.

Google "dogs are carnivores" - 15,500 hits
Google "dogs are omnivores" - 9,810 hits

"humans are herbivores" - 4,090 hits
"humans are omnivores" - 22,700 hits

 

[Dilrod]

I'm waiting for the 31,000 articles stating dogs are omnivores. Take your time.

 

[realestatepro]

Dilrod are you 12? Just wondering who in their right mind bases their knowledge off of what they are told on the internet. Sure, you can find stuff that is legit but you have to educate yourself and be smart about this shit. You have copy and pasted a bunch of shit that I've taken apart peice by peice. What we have here is a bunch of idiots on a sports betting forum trying to tell someone who has been doing this shit for 17+ years that he is wrong. I've studied and read more things about this topic then you guys ever could, I know what I'm talking about. I've heard everything that you guys have thrown at me. I've been told that the dictionary is the end all be all of world knowledge. My god this is the funniest stuff I've ever read. Of course a bunch of losers that want to justify their wrong doing will say and believe anything that makes them right. I also notice that not one person commented on the other post about how we are herbivores. Not posted by me.

 

[Dilrod]

I'm 13. And still waiting on the 31,000 examples claiming dogs are omnivores. Take your time...

 

[Preussen]

Made very little sense? You realize that anyone who eats meat and wants to continue eating meat will deny what I say just because they don't want to change. Cats can't go without meat, dogs, though not the best diet can go without meat. For every reference you find that dogs are carnivores I'll find two that say that dogs are omnivores.

The most "substantial" argumentation you gave was when you replied to an article someone else posted, but I was less than impressed with your replies:

Evidence of Humans as Omnivores

Archeological Record
As far back as it can be traced, clearly the archeological record indicates an omnivorous diet for humans that included meat. Our ancestry is among the hunter/gatherers from the beginning. Once domestication of food sources began, it included both animals and plants.

Cell Types
Relative number and distribution of cell types, as well as structural specializations, are more important than overall length of the intestine to determining a typical diet. Dogs are typical carnivores, but their intestinal characteristics have more in common with omnivores. Wolves eat quite a lot of plant material.


HOLY HELL WHY IS THIS THE ONLY THING YOU PEOPLE POST. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TAKE THIS APART?

FIRST OFF, DOGS ARE NOT CARNIVORES, THEY ARE 100% OMNIVORES. THIS DISCREDITS THIS FROM THE START. NEXT, THIS GIVES NO ACTUAL PROOF. ALL IT SAYS IS THAT CELL TYPES MEAN MORE THAN LENGTH. LENGTH IS THE BEST COMPARISON AS IT IS THE EASIEST TO COMPARE

How can saying that dogs are carnivores discredit the article when this is exactly what the overwhelming majority of biologists believe? And why should something be relevant just because it is the easiest thing to compare?

Fermenting Vats
Nearly all plant eaters have fermenting vats (enlarged chambers where foods sits and microbes attack it). Ruminants like cattle and deer have forward sacs derived from remodeled esophagus and stomach. Horses, rhinos, and colobine monkeys have posterior, hindgut sacs. Humans have no such specializations.

THIS COULD BE EXPLAINED BY OUR APPENDIX. THERE IS NO PROOF EITHER WAY TO WHAT IT COULD BE BUT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT THIS IS OUR VAT THAT WE'VE LOST THROUGH EVOLUTION.

You are aware, are you, that simply throwing out a wild hypothesis can not disprove something?

Jaws

Although evidence on the structure and function of human hands and jaws, behavior, and evolutionary history also either support an omnivorous diet or fail to support strict vegetarianism, the best evidence comes from our teeth.

The short canines in humans are a functional consequence of the enlarged cranium and associated reduction of the size of the jaws. In primates, canines function as both defense weapons and visual threat devices. Interestingly, the primates with the largest canines (gorillas and gelada baboons) both have basically vegetarian diets. In archeological sites, broken human molars are most often confused with broken premolars and molars of pigs, a classic omnivore. On the other hand, some herbivores have well-developed incisors that are often mistaken for those of human teeth when found in archeological excavations.

IT IS WELL ACCEPTED THAT HUMANS HAVE TEETH MUCH MORE SUITED FOR VEGETARIAN EATING THAN MEAT EATING. EVEN BOOKS SUCH AS "PRIMATE EVOLUTION AND HUMAN ORIGINS" BY JOHN FLEAGLE IT IS TALKED ABOUT HOW EARLY MAN HAD TEETH MUCH MORE SIMILIAR TO A HERBIVORE.

I doubt that this is "well accepted". The only thing you have to back this up is someone talking about "early man"?

Salivary Glands
These indicate we could be omnivores. Saliva and urine data vary, depending on diet, not taxonomic group.

SAYS NOTHING

Intestines
Intestinal absorption is a surface area, not linear problem. Dogs (which are carnivores) have intestinal specializations more characteristic of omnivores than carnivores such as cats. The relative number of crypts and cell types is a better indication of diet than simple length. We are intermediate between the two groups.

AGAIN IT SAYS THAT DOGS ARE CARNIVORES. KIND OF LOSES SOMETHING WHEN THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CARNIVORES AND OMNIVORES.

You say this as if it was "well accepted" that dogs are omnivores. Again, even though dogs to some extent can and do eat plants the scientific world almost unanimously classifies dogs as carnivores, which takes away your whole argument.

Conclusion
Humans are classic examples of omnivores in all relevant anatomical traits. There is no basis in anatomy or physiology for the assumption that humans are pre-adapted to the vegetarian diet. For that reason, the best arguments in support of a meat-free diet remain ecological, ethical, and health concerns.

All in all this says nothing. Intestinal length can be measured and you can see a distinct difference between omnivores and herbivores. They can say that there are other things that make more of a difference but the fact is that omnivores have shorter intestines and herbivores have longer ones. We are affected by cholesterol, our stomach acids are around 20X weaker than an omnivores.[/quote]

So you choose to just ignore all arguments that don't fit in with your theory? Nice and scientific. ;-)
Btw as far as I know human intestines are, comparatively, smaller than those of all herbivores.


I do not deny that our distant ancestors, millions of years ago, were herbi-/frugivores. But how can someone deny that humans have changed into omnivores when we have eaten meat for hundreds of thousands of years, if not more? To my knowledge changing to a diet of meat is even seen as one decisive factor in developing as humans because meat has much better nutritional value than plants. Herbivores have to spend all day eating/chewing/digesting.
The fact that during our evolutionary change we didn't develop unequivocal physical signs of being omnivores probably lie in our lifestyle. For example, humans hunt with weapons, so why should they have developed teeth like carnivores? And we rarely eat our meat raw, so why should there be a need to develop intestines to deal with raw meat?

Sorry, but it takes a lot more than that to convince me that something we humans have done for, say, half a million years is unnatural and should be stopped.

Also, I'd very much like to see scientific sources that say dogs are no carnivores.

 

[festeringZit]

Dilrod are you 12? Just wondering who in their right mind bases their knowledge off of what they are told on the internet. Sure, you can find stuff that is legit but you have to educate yourself and be smart about this shit. You have copy and pasted a bunch of shit that I've taken apart peice by peice. What we have here is a bunch of idiots on a sports betting forum trying to tell someone who has been doing this shit for 17+ years that he is wrong. I've studied and read more things about this topic then you guys ever could, I know what I'm talking about. I've heard everything that you guys have thrown at me. I've been told that the dictionary is the end all be all of world knowledge. My god this is the funniest stuff I've ever read. Of course a bunch of losers that want to justify their wrong doing will say and believe anything that makes them right. I also notice that not one person commented on the other post about how we are herbivores. Not posted by me.

RealEstateDonkey,

You are a lunatic and a liar. You haven't taken apart ANYTHING
piece by piece. You IGNORE the dictionary. I posted a scholarly
paper by a Ph.d. vegetarian debunking your bullshit, and you
IGNORED it.

You are a fraud.

 

[festeringZit]

RealEstateDonkey,

What does it feel like to spend 17+ years on something that is
a total lie?

Just curious. :lol:

 

[Dilrod]

Preussen wins the thread.

:lolBIG:

 

[JudgeWapner]

Mmmmm.

 

[realestatepro]

RealEstateDonkey,

You are a lunatic and a liar. You haven't taken apart ANYTHING
piece by piece. You IGNORE the dictionary. I posted a scholarly
paper by a Ph.d. vegetarian debunking your bullshit, and you
IGNORED it.

You are a fraud.

I ignored it? I took it apart peice by peice like I said. I'm starting to wonder if you can really be this stupid or if you're just fucking around now.