Books and Players getting screwed cont.

[TheGeneral+]

Mike,

I have not lied to you. Let's revisit a couple months back. I was called by G&J and asked if you could post a promo here and at the time, I said I needed to get with management who said no, as we do not allow non-advertisers to do so. I asked that you use Site promotions. G&J agreed to my request and then a few days later you came along and posted anyhow. It is not fair to paying advertisers for us to allow non-paying advertisers to promote themselves. We put all that behind us and here we are again. It's not black and white as you are getting some PR right now.

Again, I have lied about nothing.

 

[TheGeneral+]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Basically here is a question. We will say hypothetically my post was about Don Best. If I had a problem with them... just because they are your sponsor would you not allow my post to stand? Just because they pay you advertising dollars? Thats a little troubling when I see all these books banners all over the site. What happens when books start ripping players off?
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Here is how that works. If you have a problem with an advertiser and your post is maintained in a professional manner, then we will leave it and we will try and help you. If your post turns into a wild west shootout with bashing, blatent lying, flaming, and name calling, then it will be removed to the dispute section, but we will continue to try and help the best we can.

 

[JimFiestSux]

General,
So are you saying that if a smaller book answers a post here with a nice signup bonus or free Nettellers, or a nice reload bonus , but don't advertise here, that you would delete their post?? NOT TRUE!!

 

[GJMike]

So you tell me, which is my post Titled Premium Books and Sharp Players Getting Screwed Because right now it is located in Site promotions even though it isnt promoting a thing. And my follow up post for it is in the Rubber Room.

 

[JimFiestSux]

General,
Your last post was a good one that makes sense!

 

[TheGeneral+]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JimFiestSux:
General,
So are you saying that if a smaller book answers a post here with a nice signup bonus or free Nettellers, or a nice reload bonus , but don't advertise here, that you would delete their post?? NOT TRUE!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We allow almost any book to answer questions that are posted here. See it all the time.

 

[TheGeneral+]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GJMike:
So you tell me, which is my post Titled _Premium Books and Sharp Players Getting Screwed_ Because right now it is located in Site promotions even though it isnt promoting a thing. And my follow up post for it is in the Rubber Room. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Let me re-visit this Mike. I was not around, thus is why you had me asking What the problem was originally. Let me go take a better look at that.

 

[JimFiestSux]

I kinow General but wouldn't that be a "PROMO" for their non advertising site on this forum?? If so then you do let non advertisers get a "PROMO" in!! Just trying to make a point, thats all!

 

[GJMike]

JFS, there really isnt an answer for it. Thats why I was speaking of lies earlier. You have broken apart the argument for following rules when my posts are deleted.

Here is the real issue... Other books dont mind when their competitors advertise, But one of his other advertisers doesnt feel the same way about line services.

Maybe Gil and Joe will let me post some of the emails we get... they are pretty ridiculous. The players are really getting screwed by all these behind-the-scenes deals, and I want to blow them out into the open.

 

[JimFiestSux]

Mike,
If they are true they should be blown wide open! Why should ANY player get screwed?? Bet certain people here wouldn't like to be screwed over!!

 

[GJMike]

Well, you can bet certain that it is happening. And if I try to raise my voice, im either moved to where nobody can see it, or deleted and banned (as has happened to me in the past)

 

[TheGeneral+]

In looking at your post closely Mike, the 1st part was a promo for your service G&J. And the second part was a poor slanderous attack on DB and you even state you can't prove anything. Now you mention some emails. Who knows. I guess in all honesty, I am not 100% certain what is going on between your businesses. I would be happy to do a 3 way with you and someone from DB to clear the air a bit if you think that would help. Referring to them as low life scumbags is pretty harsh. I'm sure some feel the same about you, but i would not let that stand in this forum either. The moderator made a decision that I will back for now until we can discuss later in the day.

What it appears to me is you are taking a shot at DB and trying to get people to visit you at G&J.

Hard work and providing players with a quality service will get you further than trying to discredit your competition though IMO.

Good luck

 

[JimFiestSux]

Thats a shame that if a person has legit proof that a player is being screwed , but can't post it or he gets banned! I thought this place was for the poster, but if he or she is being screwed by a paid advertiser or not is pure bullshit IMO! Don't really know all the facts just what I read across the street and here!

 

[TheGeneral+]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JimFiestSux:
I kinow General but wouldn't that be a "PROMO" for their non advertising site on this forum?? If so then you do let non advertisers get a "PROMO" in!! Just trying to make a point, thats all! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I look at it differently. Sure they could be setting up a question so that they could come in and get a little PR going, but it becomes clear after awhile what is going on.

 

[JimFiestSux]

General,
Once again you are great. You want to have a sit down, thats cool. Let us know the outcome! Oh, General, by the way thanks for promoting G&J with that link. I now have them on my list of favorites!!

 

[TheGeneral+]

Jim, I use the service LOL

 

[GJMike]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The General:
In looking at your post closely Mike, the 1st part was a promo for your service G&J. And the second part was a poor slanderous attack on DB and you even state you can't prove anything. Now you mention some emails. Who knows. I guess in all honesty, I am not 100% certain what is going on between your businesses. I would be happy to do a 3 way with you and someone from DB to clear the air a bit if you think that would help. Referring to them as low life scumbags is pretty harsh. I'm sure some feel the same about you, but i would not let that stand in this forum either. The moderator made a decision that I will back for now until we can discuss later in the day.

What it appears to me is you are taking a shot at DB and trying to get people to visit you at http://12.110.37.23/gjupdate/.

Hard work and providing players with a quality service will get you further than trying to discredit your competition though IMO.

Good luck <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I left names out of it. I am posting on a name I already have registered for. I didnt give web links or anything, and I didnt say anything that even remotely resembled the name DB.

To be honest, we are finished with our advertisement campaign for this year. We are in the Feist schedule, newspapers, radio ads, and we have an affiliate program that pays indivodual advertisers, websites, and sportsbooks 50% residual commisions on subscribers they refer. In fact, if you stepped back and thought about it, that deal would make you a lot of money as well. But as much sense as it makes, i know you wouldnt be allowed to do it even if you wanted.

You will never hear me say that our service is better than another. G&J were on the phones a couple years ago and the product is still very new. I am not even trying to compare them, to be honest, he does have about 2 features on his service that we dont have. I cant argue that. But he is employing shady business tactics, and the players should know about it.

I am all for a 3-way debate. But lets keep it off the phone, lets open it up to your members so they can see what is going on.

After all, the closed door stuff happens all the time, they started arguing with me at dinner the other night, and nobody got to hear that when it happened.

 

[TheGeneral+]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> But he is employing shady business tactics, and the players should know about it.
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There have been several accusations of such in the forum before and Dana came in and argued them atleast once I remember. Ultimately it is up to each of us to decide what we want to use. If they want to come in here and argue this issue with you, then all the power to each. Personally, if I was running DB I would ignore such public debates and accusations as they will be damned if they do and damned if they don't.

 

[GJMike]

For the record General, that link showed up nowhere in that post that I made. I was very certain not to make it an advertisement of any kind. And I wasnt bashing anyone. The things I said are real concerns to any bettor that uses a line service.

 

[JimFiestSux]

3-way debate openly on a forum that posters can read would be absolutely great but unfortunately will never happen!! Mike if you are willing to do it openly then you are confident of yourself and facts! Thats cool to know!!