It's not as simplistic as that. Christians support Israel for many different reasons, the Biblical prophesies being just one. As the lady in the video kept trying to explain, at least in the few edgewise words that Maher allowed her. In any case, in the end times the Jewish nation will come to accept the Messiah and be saved.
It's the atheists like Maher who should be afraid. Very afraid.
Illini. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying all that is right is a subscription to atheism. I'm just a little suprised at your seemingly wanting to discount science as if it doesnt mean anything.
You do realize that the bible is just a collection of storys writen for the pagan jewish to keep them amused back in the day. And I have nothing against the jewish. Some of my family is. But they would agree. It is what it is.
And the invisible man floating in the sky thing? It's the tooth fairy and santa that has some adults fooled. I don't know what else to say. I think that stuff is kind of crazy to believe in as a grown man and I have evolved past that.
I like church becuase it's communal and gives people a reason to get together. But. Come on.
Don't even bother trying to argue with any of the militant atheists on this forum. They all hate God with such a fervor it's scary. They desperately need to convince themselves that their actions in life have no repercussions whatsoever. They're clearly the most egotistical form of human, thinking that no existence is above them. Humans are absolutely perfect in their mind and there is no such thing as morality or sin. As a result,they're the most close-minded individuals you'll ever come across, they know it all. That is a very dangerous position to take.
In any case, what Maher states in the video is of course an absolute, outright lie. The guy doesn't have the first clue about the Bible and, instead, he is playing into the typical, western liberal Jewish fear that Christians are out to convert them all. I've talked about this issue on the forum in great detail many times before and we see yet another perfect example of it happening here. The truth is that Christians love Jews with a passion (for simpletons, Christ was a Jew afterall, but there's much more to it) and it's, in fact, the good Christians in this world who fight every day for the survival of the Jewish state and its people, but the media's goal has always been to drive a wedge between Jews and Christians and they'll stop at absolutely nothing to do so. It's the media's only hope, as the Judeo-Christian bond and their respective convenants with God are the strongest in humanity. God Bless.
In any case, what Maher states in the video is of course an absolute, outright lie. The guy doesn't have the first clue about the Bible and, instead, he is playing into the typical, western liberal Jewish fear that Christians are out to convert them all. I've talked about this issue on the forum in great detail many times before and we see yet another perfect example of it happening here. The truth is that Christians love Jews with a passion (for simpletons, Christ was a Jew afterall, but there's much more to it) and it's, in fact, the good Christians in this world who fight every day for the survival of the Jewish state and its people, but the media's goal has always been to drive a wedge between Jews and Christians and they'll stop at absolutely nothing to do so. It's the media's only hope, as the Judeo-Christian bond and their respective convenants with God are the strongest in humanity. God Bless.
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Just because someone doesnt agree with your interpretation of what GOD is doenst make them an atheist. I know you people who claim to be men of Jesus think you have the moral high ground on all things pertaining to an afterlife or spirituality but the truth of the matter is you dont. Just like a Buddhist doesn’t nor does neither a Muslim nor a Jew. The fact of the matter is that spirituality isnt something that has to fit someone perception, its spiritual. So, just because your storybook says one thing that doesnt automatically make someone else’s storybook wrong. I mean that type of circular logic has been keeping the world at war since they started writing said story books. Nobody says humans are perfect in their mind; in fact the human mind is constantly evolving...if you let it.
Even thou its not prefect, you shouldn’t have to be ashamed and ask forgiveness to make it otherwise. Your statements obviously show your lack of depth for anything outside of yourself or what your beliefs are. Its a big world out there and making such rash judgments is a bit presumptuous to say the least. I mean who on here has called themselves a "militant atheist" or who has said " i hate God"? See the problem here is that you Christians in particular cant separate your God from the human known as Christ, there in lies the problem. Just because someone doesn’t accept Jesus Christ as the son of God therefore making him God....then your an atheist. That right there is divisive and awfully arrogant. I mean if you Christians are what you say you are...why dont you follow all of the Bible not just the bits and pieces that make yourself feel good? I mean if the good book is true and everything in it is gospel…start living like it.
First start off with selling off all your belongings and dont bitch about getting whacked by Barry as giving to the poor is what Jesus told you to do. Then after you gave all your stuff away... make sure one of your wives isnt a cheater, or else you better put that bitch down. Also, if you know any bastard children or men...make sure they know they will not get into the congregation of the lord nor will ten generations after them. Also, if you know any woman about to get married and she isnt a virgin make sure you let the town elders know...so they can stone that slut. Speaking of slaves...if you have one and beat them, if they dont suffer its all good, but if they do after a good beating, so will you. And after all this, sharpen your axes and start killing those who are non believers and enemies who dont accept your God as their savior. Then after we are dead party all night.
That is a very dangerous position to take indeed.
Again, as you did in the other thread, you've gone completely off track here. Where did I state that "my God" was "better than yours" or "the only God"? It's your own admitted irreverence with Christians, due to your own Christian upbringing which you're now not happy with, that you continue to portray Christians as coming across as superior to any other type of believer. Maybe that's what you were taught growing up, and if so, that's your own internal issue to deal with, not mine. If you can show me a single time I've ever said that a non-believer in Christ makes one an atheist, I'd be more than happy to accept this argument of yours. But you can't because I've never said so.
The only thing that I've ever said is that those who call themselves "Christians" but don't believe in the most basic tenants of Christianity like the divinity of Christ, the Trinity, and the concepts of salvation, sin, Heaven and Hell are certainly not Christians. They're the ones who live in a fairytale dreamland where they pick and choose the parts in the Bible that they want in the attempt of living the most "humanly logical", politically correct, modern-day lifestyle possible.
The central idea behind Chrisitanity is that Man was originally created in God's image but was soon thereafter corrupted into sin and thus only through Christ, the Son of God who came to Earth solely to shed His blood for our sins, can Gentiles be provided with salvation and a path to God. Those who do not believe in this most basic concept are not Christians, it's as simple as that. Again, this doesn't necessarily make them atheists, it just doesn't make them Christians is all. Hope we're clear now, God Bless.
The only thing that I've ever said is that those who call themselves "Christians" but don't believe in the most basic tenants of Christianity like the divinity of Christ, the Trinity, and the concepts of salvation, sin, Heaven and Hell are certainly not Christians. They're the ones who live in a fairytale dreamland where they pick and choose the parts in the Bible that they want in the attempt of living the most "humanly logical", politically correct, modern-day lifestyle possible.
The central idea behind Chrisitanity is that Man was originally created in God's image but was soon thereafter corrupted into sin and thus only through Christ, the Son of God who came to Earth solely to shed His blood for our sins, can Gentiles be provided with salvation and a path to God. Those who do not believe in this most basic concept are not Christians, it's as simple as that. Again, this doesn't necessarily make them atheists, it just doesn't make them Christians is all. Hope we're clear now, God Bless.
Nice rant, unfortunately making so sense at all.
Atheists believe that God does not exist, so how can they hate him? And why should atheists have a desperate need to convince themselves that their actions in life have no repercussions? Man-made laws are there for all, and I don't think that there are indications that those laws are broken more often by atheists than by religious people.
And why is it egotistical to believe that there is no higher being when there are no serious indications that there is?
Which atheists say humans are perfect and there is no such thing as morality or sin?
And what makes you think atheists are close-minded, especially in comparison to those Christians who cling to the words of a 2000-year-old fairy tale?
I'm really looking forward to your answers to these questions.
Afraid of what?
The God of the Christian gospels does not promote a message of fear, retribution and/or punishment imposed by a vengeful, jealous deity.
That's Old Testament lore which Jesus Christ refuted and advised mankind to set aside. And in doing so (accepting his Word and rejecting the old myths), a man(kind) is saved for eternity from the fears of death and damnation.
The only reason Maher or any other atheist need be "afraid" is if they somehow believe the horrific fables promoted in the Old Testament which indeed consigned them to eternal separation from God for their failure to dance through the sacred hoops.
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Zit, if im wrong im wrong, im not arrogant to the point where i think im always right. I think being wrong isnt a bad thing and if you can prove me otherwise, the so be it. These are quotes i just pulled off a google. How can you say it doesnt promote it, when in fact it instructs stoning?
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></o>If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24
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></o>If there be found among you ... that ... hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them ... Then shalt thou ... tone them with stones, till they die. Deuteronomy 17:2-5
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></o>If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21
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></o>Whosoever ... giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. Leviticus 20:2
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></o>They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. ... And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones.... And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses. Numbers 15:32-56
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