You guys are the best. Of course theres more to BHB pulling out of MW than just the Rio incident.
The site has gotten us next to no accounts! I have already had words with Russ on the phone a month ago. His badmouthing Rio was the last straw.
What is it that you guys are missing? Russ can keep the money if he wants. Theres nothing we can do. EITHER WAY, WE WANT OUT. PERIOD.
Thats all there is to it.
My opinion is any stand up guy thats involved in this business would return the un used funds. Thats my opinion. Can I please be allowed to have that? an opinion...
and sodium, do you have any idea about what it takes to operate in Panama. I dont think you do.
The site has gotten us next to no accounts! I have already had words with Russ on the phone a month ago. His badmouthing Rio was the last straw.
What is it that you guys are missing? Russ can keep the money if he wants. Theres nothing we can do. EITHER WAY, WE WANT OUT. PERIOD.
Thats all there is to it.
My opinion is any stand up guy thats involved in this business would return the un used funds. Thats my opinion. Can I please be allowed to have that? an opinion...
and sodium, do you have any idea about what it takes to operate in Panama. I dont think you do.
I don't think BHB position is that unreasonable. And that they would just pull ads without getting paid on principle has got to count for something.
I question how valuable any of these contracts (or I guess we should use the term "agreements") are. I think part of the value must come from just the general credibility that a advertiser gets for being on a "watchdog" site.
But, the number of referrals may be understated as well as I am the first to admit that I rarely list RX or MW as the place that I found a book at. Like to be a bit more anonymous.
I question how valuable any of these contracts (or I guess we should use the term "agreements") are. I think part of the value must come from just the general credibility that a advertiser gets for being on a "watchdog" site.
But, the number of referrals may be understated as well as I am the first to admit that I rarely list RX or MW as the place that I found a book at. Like to be a bit more anonymous.
BHB (scott),
I hope for your sake that you own BHB because if not, then surely the owner should fire you for your actions and indiscretions in this affair.
I don't think you realize but that you've lost many more than the 8 accounts you say you only got from MW, with the way you've acted and responded in this affair.
Don't get me wrong, I think your intentions are noble...MW has screwed over RIO/Skybook in your opinion and therefore, you want to disavow any association with MW. But for Christ's sake man, you don't have to cut off your nose (insert appendage of your choice) to spite your face (MW).
I hope for your sake that you own BHB because if not, then surely the owner should fire you for your actions and indiscretions in this affair.
I don't think you realize but that you've lost many more than the 8 accounts you say you only got from MW, with the way you've acted and responded in this affair.
Don't get me wrong, I think your intentions are noble...MW has screwed over RIO/Skybook in your opinion and therefore, you want to disavow any association with MW. But for Christ's sake man, you don't have to cut off your nose (insert appendage of your choice) to spite your face (MW).
No offense, but I can't imagine anyone opening an account with a book that is:
1. brainless enough to invite a discussion of its advertising travails on a forum like this; and,
2. pays a year in advance for a service without a written understanding as to what happens in the event of a breach or cancelation.
1. brainless enough to invite a discussion of its advertising travails on a forum like this; and,
2. pays a year in advance for a service without a written understanding as to what happens in the event of a breach or cancelation.
TG,
How is it possible (since it was so obvious), for you to so badly misread me?
I place a high value on Honor and Character; but I also place a high value on common sense and discretion, especially when I'm deciding on whether to send my money to some third world sportsbook or not!
I said BHB's intentions were noble but...
1) He should have approached MW privately and discussed it instead of posting in this forum for someone to post a message for him at MW.
2) If BHB was honorable and truly resented the treatment of RIO/Skybook by MW, he should have just asked to take his banners down. Like you say, TG, "some people would rather throw 10K into the ditch rather than associate with slimeballs." BHB is not one of these people; BHB wants his 10K back!
3) BHB sends 15K to MW without signing a contract? And that's supposed to instill confidence in me to send my hard earned money to him in some third world country?
Like I said, BHB's intentions seemed like they were noble, but he did a lot more harm to himself than to MW by the way he handled himself.
Honorably yours, Stew
How is it possible (since it was so obvious), for you to so badly misread me?
I place a high value on Honor and Character; but I also place a high value on common sense and discretion, especially when I'm deciding on whether to send my money to some third world sportsbook or not!
I said BHB's intentions were noble but...
1) He should have approached MW privately and discussed it instead of posting in this forum for someone to post a message for him at MW.
2) If BHB was honorable and truly resented the treatment of RIO/Skybook by MW, he should have just asked to take his banners down. Like you say, TG, "some people would rather throw 10K into the ditch rather than associate with slimeballs." BHB is not one of these people; BHB wants his 10K back!
3) BHB sends 15K to MW without signing a contract? And that's supposed to instill confidence in me to send my hard earned money to him in some third world country?
Like I said, BHB's intentions seemed like they were noble, but he did a lot more harm to himself than to MW by the way he handled himself.
Honorably yours, Stew
Teaser Guru, thanks for seeing my point man. You hit it on the head. BHB does not want to be associated. The 10k is a moot point. For Russ to not give it back only reinforces our decision.
As far as my ownership in BHB. I have none. However, I am quite close to the people that do, am I am speaking on their behalf.
Suff Kid, thanks.
As far as my ownership in BHB. I have none. However, I am quite close to the people that do, am I am speaking on their behalf.
Suff Kid, thanks.
stew, what are you talking about man. Seriously.
If we can get our $$$ back of course we want it. lol. The point is, even if he says he wont give it back, we would still rather lose the $$$ and take our banners down, than have our banners up all year on their site. Simple as that. How you are missing the point is behond me.
Furthermore, posting our decision instead of handling it secretly is meant to make a point as well. I want everyone to take notice that MW does not produce players for sites. They only make promises they cant keep, and attack sites that dont pay them anymore.
And as far as a third world country goes, try opening a book in Panama. See how easy it is. If you base your decision on which dooes to play with by how they handle their contract with watchdog sites, you might want to reconsider.
Theres a lot more to a book than that. Bad advertising decisions are made every year. By hundreds of books, and costing millions of dollars.
If BHB loses 10k fine, as long as we make our point clear.
We'd rather lose 10k than be on their site.
Remember, we can keep our banner up ALL YEAR LONG IF WE WANT. ITS ALREADY PAID FOR.
If we can get our $$$ back of course we want it. lol. The point is, even if he says he wont give it back, we would still rather lose the $$$ and take our banners down, than have our banners up all year on their site. Simple as that. How you are missing the point is behond me.
Furthermore, posting our decision instead of handling it secretly is meant to make a point as well. I want everyone to take notice that MW does not produce players for sites. They only make promises they cant keep, and attack sites that dont pay them anymore.
And as far as a third world country goes, try opening a book in Panama. See how easy it is. If you base your decision on which dooes to play with by how they handle their contract with watchdog sites, you might want to reconsider.
Theres a lot more to a book than that. Bad advertising decisions are made every year. By hundreds of books, and costing millions of dollars.
If BHB loses 10k fine, as long as we make our point clear.
We'd rather lose 10k than be on their site.
Remember, we can keep our banner up ALL YEAR LONG IF WE WANT. ITS ALREADY PAID FOR.
in case anyone missed hockeyguru's post.....everyone should read it. one of the best posts i have seen in a while.
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Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:24 PM
BHB,
How old are you, 14?
"We don't like you so we want our money back"
Yeah, that's a good one. Tell it to a judge. You sign a contract for 1 year, Russ, makes good on his end by putting your sad-ass book up top so that some suckers will post up with a book that will never make any money and will get screwed in the long run by you clowns and you want your money back because Russ has shared some useful info about one of your buddies?
Grow up.
Was there some provision in your contract that if little Russy said something that hurt one of your buddies feelings you could get your money back?
Russ can't help it that you may need the money so that you can give out more 20% re-ups to guys with multiple accounts that are scamming your ass off- of course you're too dumb or too apathetic to give a crap.
"Got bookie?"
Hell no- I want to play with books that are viable long-term and that are run by someone who's a little smarter than Jessica Simpson.
hockeyguru
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Posts: 2634
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Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:24 PM
BHB,
How old are you, 14?
"We don't like you so we want our money back"
Yeah, that's a good one. Tell it to a judge. You sign a contract for 1 year, Russ, makes good on his end by putting your sad-ass book up top so that some suckers will post up with a book that will never make any money and will get screwed in the long run by you clowns and you want your money back because Russ has shared some useful info about one of your buddies?
Grow up.
Was there some provision in your contract that if little Russy said something that hurt one of your buddies feelings you could get your money back?
Russ can't help it that you may need the money so that you can give out more 20% re-ups to guys with multiple accounts that are scamming your ass off- of course you're too dumb or too apathetic to give a crap.
"Got bookie?"
Hell no- I want to play with books that are viable long-term and that are run by someone who's a little smarter than Jessica Simpson.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If you base your decision on which dooes to play with by how they handle their contract with watchdog sites, you might want to reconsider.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I base my decisions on where to send my money, on every single shred of information I can find.
Why?
Because when bookie du jour goes belly up, I have absolutely no one or nothing to blame but myself.
Here's a thought, I betcha never wondered when you are beating a guys brains in, whether everyone else in the world is too. Who would care? The goal has always been to win as much $$$ by the rules as possible.
Well all of a sudden winning isn't enough, now you have to win in ways other's either can;t or won't cause damn if you find something like the AG deal, you can bet your bottom dollar, every beard, angle shooter, past poster and their brother, ain't just beating the guy, but they are burying him.
Great world this is to bet in these days.
I base my decisions on where to send my money, on every single shred of information I can find.
Why?
Because when bookie du jour goes belly up, I have absolutely no one or nothing to blame but myself.
Here's a thought, I betcha never wondered when you are beating a guys brains in, whether everyone else in the world is too. Who would care? The goal has always been to win as much $$$ by the rules as possible.
Well all of a sudden winning isn't enough, now you have to win in ways other's either can;t or won't cause damn if you find something like the AG deal, you can bet your bottom dollar, every beard, angle shooter, past poster and their brother, ain't just beating the guy, but they are burying him.
Great world this is to bet in these days.
raisencain and sodium pentethol -
You guys must have a hard time understanding me when I say "either way, whther russ pays us or not, BHB wants off of his site".
R U Kidding me. If we "needed" the 10k then we would at least keep our banners and links on his site for the year THAT WE PAID FOR.
Its not a money issue, its a principle issue. BHB WOULD RATHER LET THE 10K AND THE EXPOSURE GO TO WASTE THAN DO BUSINESS WITH RUSS ANYMORE.
WHAT A JOKE YOUR POST IS.
And no im not 14, im 11. But then again what does age matter when it comes to stuff like this.
I have had words with Russ in the past. His guys made promises to me that they didnt keep. They didnt yeild BHB the returns they promised.
Now they bad mouth a book whos money I KNOW IS GOOD! Not to mention are my friends. Thats 2 strikes in 1. So yes, NOW after the last straw I decide to take BHB off.
AGAIN, WITH OR WITHOUT OUR 10K. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS, ITS NOT THE MONEY. how can you say it is when we could EASILY KEEP OUR BANNER UP ALL YEAR LONG.
Its like talking to a wall.
You guys must have a hard time understanding me when I say "either way, whther russ pays us or not, BHB wants off of his site".
R U Kidding me. If we "needed" the 10k then we would at least keep our banners and links on his site for the year THAT WE PAID FOR.
Its not a money issue, its a principle issue. BHB WOULD RATHER LET THE 10K AND THE EXPOSURE GO TO WASTE THAN DO BUSINESS WITH RUSS ANYMORE.
WHAT A JOKE YOUR POST IS.
And no im not 14, im 11. But then again what does age matter when it comes to stuff like this.
I have had words with Russ in the past. His guys made promises to me that they didnt keep. They didnt yeild BHB the returns they promised.
Now they bad mouth a book whos money I KNOW IS GOOD! Not to mention are my friends. Thats 2 strikes in 1. So yes, NOW after the last straw I decide to take BHB off.
AGAIN, WITH OR WITHOUT OUR 10K. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS, ITS NOT THE MONEY. how can you say it is when we could EASILY KEEP OUR BANNER UP ALL YEAR LONG.
Its like talking to a wall.
first off BHB, i didn't write that post, i merely copied and pasted it. i do however think it was a very good post and deserved to be shared with all here.
if it isn't about the money, why are you crying ABOUT THE MONEY and starting multiple threads about how you should be able to get it back?
you had a deal, and now that you have been "offended" you want out???? LMAO, that isn't the way the world works where i live. maybe it is different where you are.
if a tennant signs a lease for one year, and after 2 months wants out because he/she no longer likes it there, are they free to go?
well, yes............but they still have to pay for the rest of the year.
if it isn't about the money, why are you crying ABOUT THE MONEY and starting multiple threads about how you should be able to get it back?
you had a deal, and now that you have been "offended" you want out???? LMAO, that isn't the way the world works where i live. maybe it is different where you are.
if a tennant signs a lease for one year, and after 2 months wants out because he/she no longer likes it there, are they free to go?
well, yes............but they still have to pay for the rest of the year.
Bhb kudos to you guys getting out of that Major shithole over there.
Even though 10k is lots of jack to just say screw it I commend you on sticking with what you feel is right.
GotBookie.com (scott),
How am I missing the point? Maybe from your first post....
"Matter of fact, why wait. Their agenda is so blatent.
Some one please post the following in the MW forums. I would but I have never posted there myself.
MW - Please refund the remaining balance of my annual payment to your site. We made payment at the beginning of august for 12 months. Please pro rate my refund based on 2.5 months of exposure. Thanks.
-Scott
www.beverlyhillsbookie.com
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Now this was your first post on this subject yesterday. When you now find out that contractually, you can not recoup any of your funds, you say that you don't care about the money, all you care about is not associating with MW. And then you try to smear the Major (whom I believe is a slimeball by the way, but he's not an idiot and I'm sure he has a contract specifying how and when you can recoup advertising dollars when cancelling your advertising contract), by implying that he's doing something wrong.
Go ahead, keep telling yourself how well you handled the situation. I'm just trying to educate you so you can learn from your mistakes.
How am I missing the point? Maybe from your first post....
"Matter of fact, why wait. Their agenda is so blatent.
Some one please post the following in the MW forums. I would but I have never posted there myself.
MW - Please refund the remaining balance of my annual payment to your site. We made payment at the beginning of august for 12 months. Please pro rate my refund based on 2.5 months of exposure. Thanks.
-Scott
www.beverlyhillsbookie.com
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Now this was your first post on this subject yesterday. When you now find out that contractually, you can not recoup any of your funds, you say that you don't care about the money, all you care about is not associating with MW. And then you try to smear the Major (whom I believe is a slimeball by the way, but he's not an idiot and I'm sure he has a contract specifying how and when you can recoup advertising dollars when cancelling your advertising contract), by implying that he's doing something wrong.
Go ahead, keep telling yourself how well you handled the situation. I'm just trying to educate you so you can learn from your mistakes.
stew, there is no contract that i know of. it was a verbal agreement between myself and russ (the owner of mw)
neither one of us discussed what would happen in the event either party wanted to part ways.
he has no more of a leg to stand on than we do.
any book who calls mw to advertise will get a price quote of 2k per month for the same exposure we get. thats a starting point.
so think about it. even if BHB paid the full price we would be getting 10k back.
again, if we have to choose between the years advertising with them, or losing both the funds and the exposure, we still want out.
but remember since this situation was never discussed and certainly never signed and agreed upon, then his decision should be based on whats right.
if his site is MAX PRICE of 2k per month, what do you think
neither one of us discussed what would happen in the event either party wanted to part ways.
he has no more of a leg to stand on than we do.
any book who calls mw to advertise will get a price quote of 2k per month for the same exposure we get. thats a starting point.
so think about it. even if BHB paid the full price we would be getting 10k back.
again, if we have to choose between the years advertising with them, or losing both the funds and the exposure, we still want out.
but remember since this situation was never discussed and certainly never signed and agreed upon, then his decision should be based on whats right.
if his site is MAX PRICE of 2k per month, what do you think
