Yes I do...When I think back to which pitcher was more dominant I think it was Jack Morris....
Having faced off against both pitchers many times (as a diehard Orioles fan that is)
Although, I can see why some would sa Blyleven over Morris...it's very close.
Blyleven had 60 shutouts! a better ERA 3.31 to Morris' 3.90 and 28 shutouts....Blyleven also was a better strikeout to walk pitcher, his downfall in this arguement, he had several mediocre seasons mixed in, and was the gopher ball king.
The reason I give Morris a slight edge, he was much more consistent and more dominant in his prime , with more 20 win seasons and a WS MVP performance in a very memorable WS ...Morris won 18 or more games 6 times to Bert's 2.
This arguement is very similar to Rice , Evans....one played longer and ammased more numbers, and one was more dominant/consistant for a lesser amount of time, very similar to that IMO.
Having faced off against both pitchers many times (as a diehard Orioles fan that is)
Although, I can see why some would sa Blyleven over Morris...it's very close.
Blyleven had 60 shutouts! a better ERA 3.31 to Morris' 3.90 and 28 shutouts....Blyleven also was a better strikeout to walk pitcher, his downfall in this arguement, he had several mediocre seasons mixed in, and was the gopher ball king.
The reason I give Morris a slight edge, he was much more consistent and more dominant in his prime , with more 20 win seasons and a WS MVP performance in a very memorable WS ...Morris won 18 or more games 6 times to Bert's 2.
This arguement is very similar to Rice , Evans....one played longer and ammased more numbers, and one was more dominant/consistant for a lesser amount of time, very similar to that IMO.
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http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Hawk+swoops+into+history/3318583/story.html
YEAHHH HAWK!!!!
Hawk swoops into history
Former Expo Andre Dawson will be inducted into Baseball Hall of Fame tomorrow
By JOHN KEKIS, The GazetteJuly 24, 2010 6:10 AM
Andre Dawson, now 56, will become the 203rd player elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame, making it on the ninth try.
Photograph by: RICK STEWART GETTY IMAGES FILE PHOTO, The Gazette
Andre Dawson stared almost in awe as he watched a brief video biography of his playing career, brushing away tears as familiar faces spoke in admiration of the intense man most still call "Hawk."
"When I think back, there are so many things that flash through my mind," Dawson said. "How did I ever pull it off ? I can only say, 'Wow!' "
Indeed.
Despite 12 knee surgeries, Dawson was an All-Star eight times and managed to become just one of three major league players to hit 400 homers and steal more than 300 bases (Willie Mays and Barry Bonds are the others). For that and so much more, Dawson will be inducted tomorrow into the Baseball Hall of Fame, part of a class that includes former manager Whitey Herzog, umpire Doug Harvey, broadcaster Jon Miller and sports writer Bill Madden.
The ceremony also will honour a musician for the first time. Rock and Roll Hall of Famer John Fogerty will sing his classic song "Centerfield", which he wrote 25 years ago and has been played at the start of induction Sunday for more than a decade.
Now 56, Dawson is the 203rd player elected to the Hall of Fame, making it on the ninth try.
Many wondered why it took so long.
An 11th-round draft pick by the Montreal Expos in 1975, Dawson quickly made it to the big club in September 1976. The following year, Dawson was tabbed by manager Dick Williams as the club's starting centre-fielder and immediately excelled in his new role, hitting 19 homers, driving in 65 runs, and stealing 21 bases to capture National League Rookie of the Year honours.
In 1981, Dawson helped lead Montreal to the NL playoffs for the first time and batted .300 in a five-game victory over the Philadelphia Phillies in the division series. Dawson's best chance at making the World Series was then halted by the Dodgers, who took the NLCS in five games.
In just over a decade playing centre field on the punishing artificial turf in old Olympic Stadium, Dawson's knees took a beating. They needed to be drained regularlybecauseof swelling, and he decided it was time for a change when he was asked to take a pay cut.
"I was a free agent and I didn't really know what was going to happen," Dawson said. "The decision that my agent and I made was there really isn't going to be offers from teams and we're just going to have to make an offer that won't be turned down. We felt the only way a team would listen was if we just gave them a contract and let them fill in the blanks."
Chicago Cubs general manager Dallas Green was willing to do that and ended up pulling off one of the great deals in modern baseball.
When Dawson offered him a blank one-year deal, Green filled in the numbers: $500,000 for the season, an extra $150,000 if he stayed off the disabled list before the All-Star break, and another $50,000 for making the All-Star team.
That was even less than Montreal had offered, but Dawson felt it was "more about pride and principle" and accepted. He responded by hitting 49 home runs, driving in 137 runs, and winning a Gold Glove at his new position -right field on the soft natural grass of Wrigley Field.
Please see Dawson , Page D4
Dawson beat Cardinals shortstop Ozzie Smith for MVP honours that year to become the first member of a last-place team to win the award and also led the NL in total bases with a career-high 353.
On his Hall of Fame plaque Dawson will be wearing an Expos cap after initially hoping it would be a Cubs hat. He understands now.
"Montreal was a platform, but Chicago probably catapulted me to that status to be able to play another six years and play on a natural playing surface," said Dawson, who had 438 homers, 2,774 hits, 1,591 RBIs and 314 stolen bases in his career. "That kind of rejuvenated my career. It got me to the point where the numbers maybe were good enough to get in."
Dawson spent another five productive seasons with the Cubs, helping them to the NL East title in 1989. He was also known for a strong throwing arm, notching 10 or more assists a season 16 times, including a high of 17 in 1978 and 1979, and finishing his 21-year career with 157.
"I didn't want offence to overshadow defence," said Dawson, whose was born in Miami and got his nickname at age 9 from an uncle who let him work out with a senior men's team and marveled at the aggressive way he approached the game. "Eight Gold Gloves are what stand out more so for me. I always felt that you could win a ball-game with a play late in the game or early in the game just the same way you could win a game in the ninth inning with a key hit."
Dawson then played two years for the Boston Red Sox, winning the 1994 Hutch Award for baseball spirit and competitive drive, before finishing his career with a two-year stint on the Florida Marlins.
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http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Hawk+swoops+into+history/3318583/story.html
YEAHHH HAWK!!!!
Hawk swoops into history
Former Expo Andre Dawson will be inducted into Baseball Hall of Fame tomorrow
By JOHN KEKIS, The GazetteJuly 24, 2010 6:10 AM
Andre Dawson, now 56, will become the 203rd player elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame, making it on the ninth try.
Photograph by: RICK STEWART GETTY IMAGES FILE PHOTO, The Gazette
Andre Dawson stared almost in awe as he watched a brief video biography of his playing career, brushing away tears as familiar faces spoke in admiration of the intense man most still call "Hawk."
"When I think back, there are so many things that flash through my mind," Dawson said. "How did I ever pull it off ? I can only say, 'Wow!' "
Indeed.
Despite 12 knee surgeries, Dawson was an All-Star eight times and managed to become just one of three major league players to hit 400 homers and steal more than 300 bases (Willie Mays and Barry Bonds are the others). For that and so much more, Dawson will be inducted tomorrow into the Baseball Hall of Fame, part of a class that includes former manager Whitey Herzog, umpire Doug Harvey, broadcaster Jon Miller and sports writer Bill Madden.
The ceremony also will honour a musician for the first time. Rock and Roll Hall of Famer John Fogerty will sing his classic song "Centerfield", which he wrote 25 years ago and has been played at the start of induction Sunday for more than a decade.
Now 56, Dawson is the 203rd player elected to the Hall of Fame, making it on the ninth try.
Many wondered why it took so long.
An 11th-round draft pick by the Montreal Expos in 1975, Dawson quickly made it to the big club in September 1976. The following year, Dawson was tabbed by manager Dick Williams as the club's starting centre-fielder and immediately excelled in his new role, hitting 19 homers, driving in 65 runs, and stealing 21 bases to capture National League Rookie of the Year honours.
In 1981, Dawson helped lead Montreal to the NL playoffs for the first time and batted .300 in a five-game victory over the Philadelphia Phillies in the division series. Dawson's best chance at making the World Series was then halted by the Dodgers, who took the NLCS in five games.
In just over a decade playing centre field on the punishing artificial turf in old Olympic Stadium, Dawson's knees took a beating. They needed to be drained regularlybecauseof swelling, and he decided it was time for a change when he was asked to take a pay cut.
"I was a free agent and I didn't really know what was going to happen," Dawson said. "The decision that my agent and I made was there really isn't going to be offers from teams and we're just going to have to make an offer that won't be turned down. We felt the only way a team would listen was if we just gave them a contract and let them fill in the blanks."
Chicago Cubs general manager Dallas Green was willing to do that and ended up pulling off one of the great deals in modern baseball.
When Dawson offered him a blank one-year deal, Green filled in the numbers: $500,000 for the season, an extra $150,000 if he stayed off the disabled list before the All-Star break, and another $50,000 for making the All-Star team.
That was even less than Montreal had offered, but Dawson felt it was "more about pride and principle" and accepted. He responded by hitting 49 home runs, driving in 137 runs, and winning a Gold Glove at his new position -right field on the soft natural grass of Wrigley Field.
Please see Dawson , Page D4
Dawson beat Cardinals shortstop Ozzie Smith for MVP honours that year to become the first member of a last-place team to win the award and also led the NL in total bases with a career-high 353.
On his Hall of Fame plaque Dawson will be wearing an Expos cap after initially hoping it would be a Cubs hat. He understands now.
"Montreal was a platform, but Chicago probably catapulted me to that status to be able to play another six years and play on a natural playing surface," said Dawson, who had 438 homers, 2,774 hits, 1,591 RBIs and 314 stolen bases in his career. "That kind of rejuvenated my career. It got me to the point where the numbers maybe were good enough to get in."
Dawson spent another five productive seasons with the Cubs, helping them to the NL East title in 1989. He was also known for a strong throwing arm, notching 10 or more assists a season 16 times, including a high of 17 in 1978 and 1979, and finishing his 21-year career with 157.
"I didn't want offence to overshadow defence," said Dawson, whose was born in Miami and got his nickname at age 9 from an uncle who let him work out with a senior men's team and marveled at the aggressive way he approached the game. "Eight Gold Gloves are what stand out more so for me. I always felt that you could win a ball-game with a play late in the game or early in the game just the same way you could win a game in the ninth inning with a key hit."
Dawson then played two years for the Boston Red Sox, winning the 1994 Hutch Award for baseball spirit and competitive drive, before finishing his career with a two-year stint on the Florida Marlins.
How is Dale Murphy not in the Hall of Fame. To win 2 MVP's means that for 2 entire seasons you were the best player in all of baseball. Isn't the HOF all about being one of the best. Also We should remember that Dale Murphy was before the steroid era and has always been clean and He did his thing the right way !
Longevity? Murph played 18 seasons.
Two good seasons? Murph had 7 good seasons, 7 border line great seasons.
In 1980 Murphy's core numbers were 33-89-.281
From 1982-1987 Murphy played every game *EVERY GAME*
In those six consecutive seasons he *averaged* 36 homers, 105 RBI's, 110 runs scored, 18 stolen bases, .289 BA, .382 OBA, a ridiculuous .913 OPS, an eye popping OPS+ of 145.
In those six years I speak of, he won 4 Silver Sluggers, 5 Gold Gloves, and was one of the greatest defensive outfielders of my generation, not that it means much, but he played the game right, never disgraced the game, and never did anything artificial, unless you count pounding the free weights in the gym artificial.
Your longevity argumetnt is invalid.
Your 2 good seasons argument is invalid.
You want to knock Murph, you could say he struck out too much, you could say his .265 overall batting average in his 18 years is not Hall worthy, but he hit almost 400 homers (398) and drove in almost 1300 runs.
