I have no clue nor do I care. I don't put everything up for trial because I want to find something bad about it. It is what it is. 6 million+ signed up. ~80% have paid. There have been extensions, renewals offered, etc. So it's going to be years for numbers to actually turn out. Plus the fact the first year tax penalty is so menial doesn't encourage people to sign up. But, it will end up working out. In 10 years Republicans will be claiming it was their idea.
I have no clue nor do I care. I don't put everything up for trial because I want to find something bad about it. It is what it is. 6 million+ signed up. ~80% have paid. There have been extensions, renewals offered, etc. So it's going to be years for numbers to actually turn out. Plus the fact the first year tax penalty is so menial doesn't encourage people to sign up. But, it will end up working out. In 10 years Republicans will be claiming it was their idea.
Wow... just wow......
So instead of looking for the facts about something, you don't, just in case there is something bad about it.
The REAL success (as it has been said all along) Was to insure those 30 million who couldn't get coverage, get coverage for pre-existing, and to save $$.... Yet I see only 1 of those things happening. And that the Pre-existing people.
You're using your typical logical fallacy approach. The healthcare coverage hasn't even been in effect for a year and you are already going crazy. 6 million people signed up in the first couple months of a healthcare plan that will span years in the making. Your motive is clear. There is nothing that will ever make you happy about Obamacare because you already made up in your mind that you are going to hate it. It's how you guys work.
Reasons why I hate it:
1. It isn't working
2. Insurance companies will get a bailout (from our taxpayer dollars) if they don't reach a certain amount of profit per year
3. My premiums went way the hell up, and if I used Obamacare it would cost even more cause my premiums would go up, copays would go up and I would have huge deductible
4. Average Americans will save over $2500 a year ... NOT.... I am now spending more then $2500 a year if I wantd insurance
5. This bill was rushed through, without much thought, and look at whats happening because of it.
6. It was written behind closed doors with the politicians, Insurers and Pharmaceutical corps... So much for "All Obamacare Meeting will be held live on CSPAN for all of America to see"
7. Being forced to buy something or get "Taxed" as a penalty... When it supposed to be when you BUY or Have something you get taxed on it.
8. All bills will be posted online for all of America to see, before anything is signed ... YET, we had to "Vote it in before we see whats in it"
9. People being forced to change their plans, even tho it was promised numerous times "If you like your insurance, you can keep it"
10. People with insurance having to change family doctors they have had for years cause they wont take that insurance now, but was promised "If you like your Dr, you can keep your Dr"
11. Passing a bill without any bi-partisan support at all, and rushing it through passage in the dead of night.
12. Some of Those who voted for the Obamacare bill, are now shying away from it, and calling it a disaster, and trying to much as much distance as they can from it.
13. Promises it wont cost taxpayers 1 dime... yet estimates say that we taxpayers are already on the hook for $1.5 TRILLION
14. Numerous lies and shady deals about this bill that have come out, and there is still more happening that we wont know about till later
15. Higher costs... didn't help the 30million..... more paperwork..... government control... IRS involvement.... Whats NOT to like!!!
Fact: There are 6 million "Sign Ups"
Fact: There is no proof that any of those 6 million "Sign Ups" were previously without insurance
Fact: There is no proof that they are all "Enrolled"
Fact: There is no proof that they are all part of the "30 million" that were uninsured, which this was supposed ot be for
Fact: People were told "You can keep your insurance" but, some ended up having to change insurance plans
Fact: People were told "You can keep your Doctor" But, some ended up having to change doctors
Fact: We were told this "Wouldn't cost taxpayers a dime"... yet estimates so far say we taxpayers are on the hook for $1.5 Trillion
Fact: This bill WAS NOT posted online for 5 days (like promised) so Americans can read it before it got voted on
Fact: Insurers, politicians and the pharmaceutical companies held closed door meetings to help write this bill... Even tho we were told EVERY meeting will be in front of the American Public on CSPAN
Fact: Health Insurers are guaranteed to make a profit, if not... the Taxpayers pay them a dividend
Fact: Support for Obamacare is at an all-time low of 26% of Americans now supporting it. http://hotair.com/archives/2014/03/28/ap-poll-shows-obamacare-support-hits-new-low-of-26/
Fact: This bill was rushed through, without being fully read, late at night.
so which one of my FACTS are just ridiculous opinions?
Many good points though, the one part about ACA which irks me is limiting the provider. My question to you is, how much do you think is fair to pay for health insurance? My exchange would of not been much different than what I am paying now. Be sure of this though, Obama could of come up with the BEST health care plan and it would not of received bipartisan support.
This is why I stopped debating him a long time ago. There was never any debate. He simply isn't capable of keeping pace intellectually.
He can't understand "no proof facts" (as he calls them), but the concept is pretty simple. Imagine if an attorney pulled this stunt during a trial:
"Your honor, my client is innocent! The facts prove it."
"What evidence do you have to support your statement?"
"Well, none. But they are still facts."
That's basically what alkiefagdelt is saying. All you did was ask "What proof do you have that x, y and z happened as a direct result of Obamacare?" and he pretty much responded "LOL, who needs proof? You just hate Obama."
There's your progressive mindset in a nutshell. They have nothing of substance to offer, so they just make silly claims and pretend they are real. Probably the same reason alkiefagdelt continues to post inane graphs that have been disproven, and his only response is to start insulting other posters who see through it.
