Dog24 I see where you are coming from. I sometimes think what it would be like if there were no sportsbooks or no bookies or no vegas or no such thing as gambling. Yea there wouldnt be people like you in such situations. Same thing if there was no alcohol or no drugs. There would be no alocholics, no families being torn apart, no kids dying so young. But we live in a world where all this exists and will always exists cause of one thing. Money. Money is always at the root of everything. These guys running the sportsbooks are not good guys and they are not bad guys. They are just guys trying to make money. Just like the car salesman and the plumber. They aren't selling you a car or fixing your pipes from the goodness of their heart. They are doing it for Money. We all choose what occupation we will take on in life to make Money. Yea you and me dont agree with their occupation but its just the way it is. Ive had my family torn apart because of alcohol. As much as I hate the companies making it, the stores selling it, I have to deal with it. We were given free will and yea it would be nice if there wasnt anything in this world to tempt us or make us weak but there is and its just too bad. They aren't going to stop selling or offering what they are, so its my job to avoid it.
You are happy that some of these books have been taken down cause you dislike their occupation. And I'll be happy when panther(check rubberroom) gets stiffed one day for $6600 and doesn't have a dollar to feed himself that day because I dislike his occupation(scammer). No one has to agree with you but you are entitled to your opinion and your feelings.
You are happy that some of these books have been taken down cause you dislike their occupation. And I'll be happy when panther(check rubberroom) gets stiffed one day for $6600 and doesn't have a dollar to feed himself that day because I dislike his occupation(scammer). No one has to agree with you but you are entitled to your opinion and your feelings.
Some very good posts here, I enjoyed reading what folks have said, thank you. For you Dogs I don't agree with the post but I do respect you for being honest on something that you know most people wouldn't agree with you about. There's too many sheep in the world already, I respect anyone who doesn't swallow his voice when he knows something is wrong but afraid to say anything. For that I give you props.
Not sure I can say anything new but let me address this part of you being adamant that you are well aware you have a problem and take full responsibility for it. You keep bringing up chocolate as something everyone enjoys and is only a problem "for a few". Chocolate like guns, eating, smoking, booze, sex and a million other things do not pose significant problems for the vast majority of people. INCLUDING GAMBLING. Obesity is one of the biggest problems around right now. However if you heard a 450lb woman in here saying she knew she had an eating problem but still loved to see a McDonalds geting bombed because those bastards were "enabling" people to get fat what would you think? One of the problems with society these days is we have a big problem admitting we are at fault. We're fat but those damn fast food restaurants aren't helping. Yeah I shot the guy horseplaying but if we didn't make guns it would not have happened. I got snockered and chose to drive but if they didn't make booze I wouldn't have killed anyone. I've lost every quarter I have by gambling (and then some) but if there was no where to do it I would still have my money. And on it goes. If there is no excuse or outside influence for why we screw up then it would be down to only being our fault, and that my friend is not acceptable for most. "I'd be winning at gambling but there is a fix in on most NBA games"....
All you are doing by saying you are "owning up to the problem" is actually trying to minimize your role in all this. "I know I am involved but I am not the root of all this, there is a much bigger role than mine". There is no role in this at all my friend, it is entirely YOUR problem, 100% yours. Whether consciously or not you are bitter as hell right now at everyone connected to gambling because that is the root of a lot of bad things going on in your life. You are a walking billboard for a gambling addiction. You use means to justify the problems you are having. Whether you realize it or not you enjoy the books enduring this because you are suffering. A week or so ago you complained about an on-line casino that was "rigged". You won 20k or so but lost back 15k. The casino was fine when you won the 20k but when the 15k was lost is when the "problem" surfaced. More of the self-justification that your actions may be involved but weren't the main issue. Had you quit you could have won 20k but you continued on losing until you gave them 15k back and then reasoned out why your role was not the real reason, it was a crooked casino at fault. Shrink is right the defense mechanisms are deeply entrenched and no one posting here is going to show you the way. Bottom line though underneath all the tough talk of owning up to the problem is a bigtime 100% gambling addiction. That's why you are angered when people can't see that the enablers "deserve" this for what they are doing to you and others like you.
Anyway we only said this to help you man, not get on your ass. I enjoy you posts and it takes a man to post what you did. I knew the responses wouldn't sit well with you but people are only posting what they see. You can call a person on the street a drunk and it won't even bother him. Call a real alcoholic a drunk and you have touched a raw nerve. They get very defensive about it because they do not want to deal with the real issue - the disease. Good luck my man. If we can do anything let us know.
Not sure I can say anything new but let me address this part of you being adamant that you are well aware you have a problem and take full responsibility for it. You keep bringing up chocolate as something everyone enjoys and is only a problem "for a few". Chocolate like guns, eating, smoking, booze, sex and a million other things do not pose significant problems for the vast majority of people. INCLUDING GAMBLING. Obesity is one of the biggest problems around right now. However if you heard a 450lb woman in here saying she knew she had an eating problem but still loved to see a McDonalds geting bombed because those bastards were "enabling" people to get fat what would you think? One of the problems with society these days is we have a big problem admitting we are at fault. We're fat but those damn fast food restaurants aren't helping. Yeah I shot the guy horseplaying but if we didn't make guns it would not have happened. I got snockered and chose to drive but if they didn't make booze I wouldn't have killed anyone. I've lost every quarter I have by gambling (and then some) but if there was no where to do it I would still have my money. And on it goes. If there is no excuse or outside influence for why we screw up then it would be down to only being our fault, and that my friend is not acceptable for most. "I'd be winning at gambling but there is a fix in on most NBA games"....
All you are doing by saying you are "owning up to the problem" is actually trying to minimize your role in all this. "I know I am involved but I am not the root of all this, there is a much bigger role than mine". There is no role in this at all my friend, it is entirely YOUR problem, 100% yours. Whether consciously or not you are bitter as hell right now at everyone connected to gambling because that is the root of a lot of bad things going on in your life. You are a walking billboard for a gambling addiction. You use means to justify the problems you are having. Whether you realize it or not you enjoy the books enduring this because you are suffering. A week or so ago you complained about an on-line casino that was "rigged". You won 20k or so but lost back 15k. The casino was fine when you won the 20k but when the 15k was lost is when the "problem" surfaced. More of the self-justification that your actions may be involved but weren't the main issue. Had you quit you could have won 20k but you continued on losing until you gave them 15k back and then reasoned out why your role was not the real reason, it was a crooked casino at fault. Shrink is right the defense mechanisms are deeply entrenched and no one posting here is going to show you the way. Bottom line though underneath all the tough talk of owning up to the problem is a bigtime 100% gambling addiction. That's why you are angered when people can't see that the enablers "deserve" this for what they are doing to you and others like you.
Anyway we only said this to help you man, not get on your ass. I enjoy you posts and it takes a man to post what you did. I knew the responses wouldn't sit well with you but people are only posting what they see. You can call a person on the street a drunk and it won't even bother him. Call a real alcoholic a drunk and you have touched a raw nerve. They get very defensive about it because they do not want to deal with the real issue - the disease. Good luck my man. If we can do anything let us know.
I to have been reading the RX for a while and dont post a great deal.I dont think anyone in here means you harm or bad its just the nature of a board to break balls. But it seems you truley need some outside help and The Shrink did offer for you to call or email, if you needed someone to talk to why not take him up on that. Good Luck
I don't agree that books are "evil" or just a drain on society. They provide something of value to me - a playing field where I can test my theories against their lines. The prospect of "being smarter" than the books is more enticing (and rewarding) than the financial aspects... The money side just makes it "real".
Would my time have been better spent working as a lawyer? Financially, yes. From the perspective of intellectual satisfaction, no.
Would my time have been better spent working as a lawyer? Financially, yes. From the perspective of intellectual satisfaction, no.
Hi my name is Krackman and I am a compulsive gambler.
My first instinct is to ream Dogs for saying what he did but at least he has the balls to say what he feels. I got into it with him a few weeks back because he said sirbet's casino was rigged AFTER he won 20 dimes and then proceeded to lose most of it back.
I can't blame anyone for being a bookmaker because if they weren't doing it someone else would be. I myself hate the greedy mega corporations that own casinos but yet I still patronize them and lose my money.
Dogs is a highly intellectual person. As a matter of a fact too much so. I have a friend who own a very successful business he is exactly like him. I just listen to him ramble about things and my mind starts to wander as I yes him to death. This guy is anal retentive as I am sure dogs is. This guy is also worth 300-500 mil and work 60+ hours a week. He will believe what he wants to and nobody can change his mind just like dogs THERE IS NO USE GOING ON WITH IT.
My first instinct is to ream Dogs for saying what he did but at least he has the balls to say what he feels. I got into it with him a few weeks back because he said sirbet's casino was rigged AFTER he won 20 dimes and then proceeded to lose most of it back.
I can't blame anyone for being a bookmaker because if they weren't doing it someone else would be. I myself hate the greedy mega corporations that own casinos but yet I still patronize them and lose my money.
Dogs is a highly intellectual person. As a matter of a fact too much so. I have a friend who own a very successful business he is exactly like him. I just listen to him ramble about things and my mind starts to wander as I yes him to death. This guy is anal retentive as I am sure dogs is. This guy is also worth 300-500 mil and work 60+ hours a week. He will believe what he wants to and nobody can change his mind just like dogs THERE IS NO USE GOING ON WITH IT.
Dogs
Just want to stress a couple of things that I think you are completely off base with. Most people who gamble do not have an addiction to it. They do it because they find it entertaining. And they have no regrets about wagering not one little bit. Because 2% of the people that gamble have a complusion should the other 98% of the population not be entitled to do it.
I bought my son one of those xbox things so he could play video games. Ever since he got it thats all he wants to do. Ignores his school work doesn't do his chores. So under your reasoning I should hate microsoft for making those things because for some, those things are addicting. Especially for a child. So nobody should be able to play those games because some cant control their urges to play all day long.
Deal with your problem and don't try and tell the rest of us what we can and cannot do!!!!!!
HERE IS YOUR QUOTE WHICH IS COMPLETELY INCORRECT
"Gambling on the other hand ensnares most people who try it, consumes them, and has most wishing they had never stepped foot in a casino/sportsbook. The bad outweighs the good"
Just want to stress a couple of things that I think you are completely off base with. Most people who gamble do not have an addiction to it. They do it because they find it entertaining. And they have no regrets about wagering not one little bit. Because 2% of the people that gamble have a complusion should the other 98% of the population not be entitled to do it.
I bought my son one of those xbox things so he could play video games. Ever since he got it thats all he wants to do. Ignores his school work doesn't do his chores. So under your reasoning I should hate microsoft for making those things because for some, those things are addicting. Especially for a child. So nobody should be able to play those games because some cant control their urges to play all day long.
Deal with your problem and don't try and tell the rest of us what we can and cannot do!!!!!!
HERE IS YOUR QUOTE WHICH IS COMPLETELY INCORRECT
"Gambling on the other hand ensnares most people who try it, consumes them, and has most wishing they had never stepped foot in a casino/sportsbook. The bad outweighs the good"
I really enjoyed this thread..
Perhaps the title shoudl be changed.
At first I thought it was going to be another Hacker thread.
Dog that was a really thought out and good post. While I disagree with about everything you say, you are entitled to your own opinon.
There were some very very thought out and good post in here. I love to see that
Perhaps the title shoudl be changed.
At first I thought it was going to be another Hacker thread.
Dog that was a really thought out and good post. While I disagree with about everything you say, you are entitled to your own opinon.
There were some very very thought out and good post in here. I love to see that
"Most people who gamble do not gamble responsibly". This is the one statement that bothers me the most. Where did you get you stats from? I don't think that 51% of people that gamble are addicted and I challenge you to show me a survey that proved otherwise.
It sound like you are having a very tough time with this addiction and for that I am sorry.
To blame an industy because they help exploit human weaknesses is somewhat silly. You have been given some examples but here is a list for you:
Banking Industy- Extending Credit
Stores- desire to own materal things
Drugs- desire to find a way to make us feel better by putting us in a state,so we can forget about the stresses of like(job,Family problems)
Working- causes the stress that makes us desire the distractions such as gambling,drugs,drinking,eating.
Family-causes the stress that makes us desire the distractions such as gambling,drugs,drinking,eating.
It seems like life is to blame for all our problems when you get right down to it!
God brought me into this world so only one thing to do: I BLAME GOD FOR ALL MY PROBLEMS.
Give me any industry including religion and I can find an example of it destroying lives.
It sound like you are having a very tough time with this addiction and for that I am sorry.
To blame an industy because they help exploit human weaknesses is somewhat silly. You have been given some examples but here is a list for you:
Banking Industy- Extending Credit
Stores- desire to own materal things
Drugs- desire to find a way to make us feel better by putting us in a state,so we can forget about the stresses of like(job,Family problems)
Working- causes the stress that makes us desire the distractions such as gambling,drugs,drinking,eating.
Family-causes the stress that makes us desire the distractions such as gambling,drugs,drinking,eating.
It seems like life is to blame for all our problems when you get right down to it!
God brought me into this world so only one thing to do: I BLAME GOD FOR ALL MY PROBLEMS.
Give me any industry including religion and I can find an example of it destroying lives.
Great Read here. I've learned alot. Didn't know the Shrink had suffered from the addiction at 19. However as he says--he took responsibility.
Nothing is rarely ever simple these days when it comes to legal--sickness--etc.
To defend the attackers of these books on any level is as wrong as defending one who "steals" or does a bank holdup. What I hope to live long enough to see is that all the bad books (ie. crooks) get burned big time in the end. And all the honest reputable books get acknowledged for their honesty. Might not happen, but it is certaintly better than cheering for a crook to steal from honest folks on any level.
My 2 pennies worth.
Nothing is rarely ever simple these days when it comes to legal--sickness--etc.
To defend the attackers of these books on any level is as wrong as defending one who "steals" or does a bank holdup. What I hope to live long enough to see is that all the bad books (ie. crooks) get burned big time in the end. And all the honest reputable books get acknowledged for their honesty. Might not happen, but it is certaintly better than cheering for a crook to steal from honest folks on any level.
My 2 pennies worth.
