As the world turns on Russia

[Willie99]

Georgia attacked first, morons. God, I'm sick of the dumbed-down Americans who have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE whats going on in the world.

another scholar played like a fucking fiddle, beat like a drum and being laughed at by our adversaries.

Putin is counting on you and he can't stop laughing at you either :missingte


I wonder why the entire free world agrees with Bush & McCain & Obama and not the likes of Dilrod :think2:

 

[Dilrod]

Probably because the people that attacked Russia own the media that tells them what to believe Willie. After all the Iraq war propaganda (lies) we were fed you'd think people would learn.

Georgia attacked first

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5ff_1218998906

 

[nimue77]

It's not a disputed territory, it's part of Georgia.

Kinda like Iraq once claiming Kuwait is "disputed territory".

The international condemnation speaks volumes in and by itself.

Do you actually believe Russia put this massive military force in Georgia overnight without planning each and every step? It was no reaction by Russia.

Thanks for proving my point about some leftists in America.

Yeah, they were parts or Georgia that were brutally attacked by Georgian troops. Are you condoning Georgia's actions? Whether or not what Russia did in reponse was the right thing is really the secondary issue here.

 

[Dilrod]

What kind of Looney Toons world do we live in when the U.S. lies its citizens into a pre-emptive war on Afghanistan, Iraq, and possibly Iran, then have their satellite puppet-state sneak attack Russians goading them into a response, a response that was well warranted I might add, then the media tells every gullible fool on earth that Russia is the bad guy, accusing THEM of staging a pre-emptive strike, and the sheeple fall for it yet again. It's time to pull your head out of your asses people, the military industrial complex controls America and controls the media feeding you war propaganda. It's really not that hard to grasp, is it? God damn I'm sick of this shit.

 

[Dilrod]

The world has turned on Russia? LOL only in your little sphere of ignorance, maybe.

This Time, the World Is Not Buying It

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=showauthor>by Paul Craig Roberts</TD></TR><TR><TD><!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->The success of the Bush Regime's propaganda, lies, and deception with gullible and inattentive Americans since 9/11 has made it difficult for intelligent, aware people to be optimistic about the future of the United States. For almost 8 years the US media has served as Ministry of Propaganda for a war criminal regime. Americans incapable of thinking for themselves, reading between the lines, or accessing foreign media on the Internet have been brainwashed.
As the Nazi propagandist, Joseph Goebbels, said, it is easy to deceive a people. You just tell them they have been attacked and wave the flag.
It certainly worked with Americans.
The gullibility and unconcern of the American people has had many victims. There are 1.25 million dead Iraqis. There are 4 million displaced Iraqis. No one knows how many are maimed and orphaned.
Iraq is in ruins, its infrastructure destroyed by American bombs, missiles, and helicopter gunships.
We do not know the death toll in Afghanistan, but even the American puppet regime protests the repeated killings of women and children by US and NATO troops.
We don't know what the death toll would be in Iran if Darth Cheney and the neocons succeed in their plot with Israel to bomb Iran, perhaps with nuclear weapons.
What we do know is that all this murder and destruction has no justification and is evil. It is the work of evil men who have no qualms about lying and deceiving in order to kill innocent people to achieve their undeclared agenda.
That such evil people have control over the United States government and media damns the American public for eternity.
America will never recover from the shame and dishonor heaped upon her by the neoconned Bush Regime.
The success of the neocon propaganda has been so great that the opposition party has not lifted a finger to rein in the Bush Regime's criminal actions. Even Obama, who promises "change" is too intimidated by the neocon's success in brainwashing the American population to do what his supporters hoped he would do and lead us out of the shame in which the neoconned Bush Regime has imprisoned us.
This about sums up the pessimistic state in which I existed prior to the go-ahead given by the Bush Regime to its puppet in Georgia to ethnically cleanse South Ossetia of Russians in order to defuse the separatist movement. The American media, aka, the Ministry of Lies and Deceit, again accommodated the criminal Bush Regime and proclaimed "Russian invasion" to cover up the ethnic cleansing of Russians in South Ossetia by the Georgian military assault.
Only this time, the rest of the world didn't buy it. The many years of lies – 9/11, Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, al Qaeda connections, yellowcake, anthrax attack, Iranian nukes, "the United States doesn't torture," the bombings of weddings, funerals, and children's soccer games, Abu Ghraib, renditions, Guantanamo, various fabricated "terrorist plots," the determined assault on civil liberties – have taken their toll on American credibility. No one outside America any longer believes the US media or the US government.
The rest of the world reported the facts – an assault on Russian civilians by American- and Israeli-trained and -equipped Georgian troops.
The Bush Regime, overcome by hubris, expected Russia to accept this act of American hegemony. But the Russians did not, and the Georgian military was sent fleeing for its life.
The neoconned Republican response to the Russian failure to follow the script and to be intimidated by the "unipower" was so imbecilic that it shattered the brainwashing to which Americans had succumbed.
McCain declared: "In the 21st century nations don't invade other nations." Imagine the laughs Jon Stewart will get out of this on the Daily Show. In the early years of the 21st century the United States has already invaded two countries and has been beating the drums for attacking a third. President Bush, the chief invader of the 21st century, echoed McCain's claim that nations don't invade other nations.
This dissonant claim shocked even brainwashed Americans, as readers' emails reveal. If in the 21st century countries don't invade other countries, what is Bush doing in Iraq and Afghanistan, and what are the naval armadas and propaganda arrayed against Iran about?
Have two of the worst warmongers of modern times – Bush and McCain – called off the US/Israeli attack on Iran? If McCain is elected president, is he going to pull US troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan as "nations don't invade other nations," or is President Bush going to beat him to it?
We all know the answer.
The two stooges are astonished that the Americans have taught hegemony to Russians, who were previously operating, naively perhaps, on the basis of good will.
Suddenly the Western Europeans have realized that being allied with the United States is like holding a tiger by the tail. No European country wants to be hurled into war with Russia. Germany, France, and Italy must be thanking God they blocked Georgia's membership in NATO.
The Ukraine, where a sick nationalism has taken hold funded by the neocon National Endowment for Democracy, will be the next conflict between American pretensions and Russia. Russia is being taught by the neocons that freeing the constituent parts of its empire has not resulted in their independence but in their absorption into the American Empire.
Unless enough Americans can overcome their brainwashed state and the rigged Diebold voting machines, turn out the imbecilic Republicans and hold the neoconservatives accountable for their crimes against humanity, a crazed neocon US government will provoke nuclear war with Russia.
The neoconservatives represent the greatest danger ever faced by the United States and the world. Humanity has no greater enemy.

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[paftraft]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-defence-co-operation-with-Europe-and-US.html

only some leftists in this great country support Russia's actions and of course, blame America. Dumb as they come

I'm voting for McCain & never voted democrat, but Georgia was a country for only 18 years and for 18 years Ossetia has been an autonimous region that does not recognize any connection with Georgia. Ossetians are not Russian(Slavic) nor are they a mixture of the many subcultures who trampled thru and comprise the population of Georgia. The Ossetian are of mostly Persian stock and they prefer an association with Russia.

Saakashvili is a card carrying idiot and the US should not have put any faith in this simpleton at all. That was a mistake and I guess we are stuck with it. I agree the trap was set in Georgia. When President Saakashvili blundered into South Ossetia, sending in an army to shell, kill and maim on a vicious scale (against US advice and his promised word), Russia was waiting. Saakashvili's decision to gamble everything on a lightning grab for Tskhinvali brings to mind the comment of the 19th-century French statesman Talleyrand: "it was worse than a crime, it was a mistake."

 

[barman]

DILROD, thanks for the incredibly apt commentary from a great American - Paul Craig Roberts.

 

[Dilrod]

Your welcome.

Paul Craig Roberts (born April 3, 1939, in Atlanta, Georgia) is an economist and a nationally syndicated columnist for Creators Syndicate. He served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration earning fame as the "Father of Reaganomics". He is a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service. He is a graduate of the Georgia Institute of Technology and he holds a Ph.D. from the University of Virginia. He was a post-graduate at the University of California, Berkeley, and Oxford University where he was a member of Merton College.
In 1992 he received the Warren Brookes Award for Excellence in Journalism. In 1993 the Forbes Media Guide ranked him as one of the top seven journalists in the United States.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-0>[1]</SUP>
His writings frequently appear on Antiwar.com, VDARE.com. Lew Rockwell's web site, CounterPunch, and the American Free Press.

 

[eek.]

After all the Iraq war propaganda (lies) we were fed you'd think people would learn.

hehe

People rarely remember or learn from these things.
:grandmais

 

[Willie99]

This is how Putin likes to play his fiddles

Despite public confusion over the status of South Ossetia, the fact is that South Ossetia is a fully recognized part of Georgia under international treaties that Russia agreed to. Russia's claim on South Ossetia is much like the claims that were made by the Third Reich over the Rhineland and Sudetenland in the years preceding the outbreak of WWII. Like Russia this week, Nazi Germany also used the excuse that they were defending their nationals when they seized control of these regions. The world made a mistake when they allowed the so-called "cessation" of these regions in the 1930's and now it seems that some 70 years later we are on the verge of re-establishing the dangerous precedent.

NATO & EU leaders unanimously admitted on Wednesday that there would be repercussions for Russia's assault upon Georgia after they could achieve a cease-fire. However, EU and NATO promises will provide little relief to the former Warsaw Pact countries who now fear they may be next.

Over the past five days, the shock from Russia's rapid deployment and invasion of Georgia's internationally defined borders gave away to a widespread belief that the military incursion was planned well in advance. The establishment of a second front only fueled the speculation by military analysts and world leaders. Today, U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Matt Bryza told journalists that two months ago Russian Troops entered the region of Abkhazia on what they were told was a humanitarian mission to help secure and rebuild a railway. As Bryza pointed out, "Now we know the truth that these forces were there to rebuild the railway to allow ammunition and other military supplies to aid a Russian invasion."

http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/08/world-condemns-russia-murtha-blames.html

 

[Willie99]

Oh boy, Time joins the NYT in rehashing Putin's talking points unchallenged. Wow, fucking shocking. The guys who worship the likes of Arafat and defending another one of their Man of the Years.

:nohead:

 

[Willie99]

Nato vs a Time reporter, any questions?

Nato joins US in condemning Russia's response in South Ossetia


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/11/georgia.russia7?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

Nato members

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[eek.]

That'll be those NATO dudes who somehow wound up in Afghanistan.
:nohead:

 

[Willie99]

2007 "Person of the Year"

Sympathy for a murdering terrorist paid to kill with no desire for peace

1938

a "peacemaker" in 1993. Yes, he actually won it twice:missingte

"peacemaker" :missingte:missingte

"peacemaker" :missingte:missingte:missingte:missingte

 

[Willie99]

That'll be those NATO dudes who somehow wound up in Afghanistan.
:nohead:

Because we should have left the Taliban alone too

:nohead:

 

[Willie99]

Probably because the people that attacked Russia own the media that tells them what to believe Willie. After all the Iraq war propaganda (lies) we were fed you'd think people would learn.

The lie is being told by the liars saying Bush lied. They are spoke this lie so often, it truly has become the truth in their lying eyes.

 

[The Guesser]

Timely Bump of the day. OH the irony, led of course by Wrong Way and Casper all over this thread back in 2008 and the Russia-Georgia travesty. Hypocritical, Partisan hacks.

 

[The Guesser]

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is all you need to know about the loony left...

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/personoftheyear/

"His final year as Russia's President has been his most successful yet. At home, he secured his political future. Abroad, he expanded his outsize—if not always benign—influence on global affairs."

They love him! They admire him! The spineless loony left has that same feeling toward Putin that teeny-boppers in the 60s used to get at a Beetles concert.

Foolish...the left is so, so, so foolish -- morally and intellectually imbecelic. hno:

The guy who now, 6 years later, is coming in his purple flower garden at the shirtless pics of Putin. Hypocricy, thy name is Casper. Of course the spineless idiot will comment on ghost chasing, instead of dealing with his own hypocrisy. kth)(&^

 

[Willie99]

does the mental midget know I'm NOT blaming America's actions to justify Russia's imperialism (like libtard nation did in 2008)? I gotta go with no, he just doesn't know anything

I am blaming Obama's weaknesses for encouraging them

cut military defense spending
undo Bush's missile defense system
and talking the talk while burying his head in the sand

the dude is dense man, doesn't know the meaning of words and can never recognize the nuances of intelligent conversation

he just thinks everything is always the same




PS: I'm guessing here

 

[Willie99]

willie's always on my mind, willie's always on my mind

looks like I kicked that terrorist loving Dave to the curb (outta my way bitch)