As Obama Prepares to give SOTU Praising Iranian Deal, Iran Detains 2 US Navy Boats

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How would a conservative admin react!!?!!!!


BEIJING, Monday, April 2A United States Navy spy plane on a routine surveillance mission near the Chinese coast collided on Sunday with a Chinese fighter jet that was closely tailing it. The American plane made an emergency landing in China, and the United States said it was seeking the immediate return of the 24 crew members, all said to be in good condition, and of the sophisticated aircraft and all its intelligence equipment.
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In Washington, President Bush's advisers, finding themselves dealing for the first time with a sensitive military incident with the Chinese, went to some lengths to avoid ascribing blame. And instead, they immediately focused their attention on an airport in the city of Lingshui, on Hainan, where the damaged plane was sitting on the tarmac. Whether the crew members were still on board was unclear.
''The question now is do we have access to the crew, when do we get the crew back, and how do we get the aircraft back,'' said one administration official. ''This is going to be a test of everyone's ability to stay cool and work things out.''

The White House said diplomats from the American Embassy in Beijing, and other American officials based in China, were traveling to Hainan and would seek to escort the crew members out of the country and make sure the Chinese did not inspect or remove the equipment aboard the plane. It was not clear if the Americans erased any data they had collected or sought to disable any of their equipment.

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Remember when the guns started blazing and the bombs started falling?

What a fucking idiot this guy is. Just unbelievably stupid.
 

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China and Iran......lol. Good comparison. A conservative admin would have reacted just like their loon base......war, death, destruction.

Why is the welcher still posting here? Lose a ban bet and still here. Typical scumbag.....Imagine the amount of local books he's stiffed in Pittsburgh area.
 

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Most people here think you've just become a right wing, spam machine nit wit.

Ive known for a long time. Once again ....Vit ahead of everybody else on calling out right wing loons.


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They could have resisted. Period. The boats had the fire power.

USS Harry S. Truman battle group was close.

Like at Benghazi, assets not used.
Close? How close? You keep babbling this crap and refuse to address my post from yesterday. You are man of great information but I've seen nothing yet that shows exactly what happened here except that these soldiers made a mistake drifting into enemy waters and the enemy captured them in what seemed to be a peaceful capture. If they resisted there is a good chance they would have been killed. Show some proof to back what you say.
 

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Close? How close? You keep babbling this crap and refuse to address my post from yesterday. You are man of great information but I've seen nothing yet that shows exactly what happened here except that these soldiers made a mistake drifting into enemy waters and the enemy captured them in what seemed to be a peaceful capture. If they resisted there is a good chance they would have been killed. Show some proof to back what you say.

Good luck with that.....superbore is a hack, propaganda, spam machine.
 

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I have to agree with Beets. When you choose to join the military you take an oath to defend the country. That means you don’t surrender without a fight.

Having said that there are rules of engagement that must be followed. Such a rule is do not fire unless fired upon. Now such a rule can change day by day, minute by minute.

So it is highly possible that these sailors were restricted on what they could or could not do.

Given the recourses that were in the area I can’t imagine they just surrendered because they were cowards. There’s more to this than we know.

I will say that I’m embarrassed for them. Given the current of appeasement that emanates from the administration I wonder why anyone would choose to join the military.

Dave, the rules of engagement will have to be torn to shreds once this clown is gone. After 8 years of the Kenyan and his radical social experiments the military is a total joke.
 
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I'm sure if one of the conservatives in here had an armed unfriendly enter their "territory" and was "snooping around", they would shoot first and ask questions later. And I would agree they have the right to do that and protect their "territory" by law in most states. Let's just be glad the Iranian commander in charge here had better sense than most on here in this situation and everyone is safe.
 

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China and Iran......lol. Good comparison. A conservative admin would have reacted just like their loon base......war, death, destruction.

Why is the welcher still posting here? Lose a ban bet and still here. Typical scumbag.....Imagine the amount of local books he's stiffed in Pittsburgh area.

Yeah, China and Iran are allies, idiot. So it is an exact, spot on comparison you utter dumbfuck. Which is why you're left with "LOL"

But please, bring up Abu Ghraib again, that was like a super duper comparison.
 

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A conservative admin would have reacted just like their loon base......war, death, destruction.

Notice when real world facts refute this utter dumb fuck's idiotic talking points he just....repeats them.

Over & over.

Abu Ghraib!!!!

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I'm sure if one of the conservatives in here had an armed unfriendly enter their "territory" and was "snooping around", they would shoot first and ask questions later. And I would agree they have the right to do that and protect their "territory" by law in most states. Let's just be glad the Iranian commander in charge here had better sense than most on here in this situation and everyone is safe.

Yeah, I'm sure.

Spot on there, wabitch.
 

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Dave, the rules of engagement will have to be torn to shreds once this clown is gone. After 8 years of the Kenyan and his radical social experiments the military is a total joke.
Joe, as anyone who has been in combat knows the rules of engagement are not cast in stone. In Nam it was, do not engage, observe and report. Then it was do not fire unless fired upon. Then it was search and destroy.


We weren’t there to win, we were to defend. We never advanced above the DMZ while the NVA had no such restrictions. Do you know how we equated success? Body counts. And do you know how body counts were determined? We guessed. And when the upper echelon bitched, we just guessed higher.


No fucking wonder we came home with our ears down and our tail between our legs.


Never go to war unless your goal is to win. Somehow that got lost in the in the translation after WWII.
 

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China and Iran......lol. Good comparison. A conservative admin would have reacted just like their loon base......war, death, destruction.

Why is the welcher still posting here? Lose a ban bet and still here. Typical scumbag.....Imagine the amount of local books he's stiffed in Pittsburgh area.

Winners don't stiff, they collect - something you've never known with your negative units and $5 wagers.
 

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Winners don't stiff, they collect - something you've never known with your negative units and $5 wagers.

It is so funny he things that is some big ZINGER!!

The only reason, and everyone reading knows it, that he wouldn't accept your wager offer on comparing account balances is it would be revealed that 1. He doesn't risk $1,000 per game and 2. He's not betting his "picks" because there is nothing left.
 

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Most people here think you've just become a right wing, spam machine nit wit.

Ive known for a long time. Once again ....Vit ahead of everybody else on calling out right wing loons.

Maybe 3 people
 

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Close? How close? You keep babbling this crap and refuse to address my post from yesterday. You are man of great information but I've seen nothing yet that shows exactly what happened here except that these soldiers made a mistake drifting into enemy waters and the enemy captured them in what seemed to be a peaceful capture. If they resisted there is a good chance they would have been killed. Show some proof to back what you say.

Can you tell us how, exactly, these sailors drifted 40 miles off course? Can you point us to a statement by the Pentagon or any US official saying these sailors were in Iranian territory?

Further, can you explain why Iran kept the GPS devices if this was just "friendly"?
 

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Ok, now an unnamed "US Defense Official" is saying the boats were 3 miles from Farsi Island. This makes no sense.

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They were traveling south-southeast but drifted due East for 40 miles??
 

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They could have resisted. Period. The boats had the fire power.

USS Harry S. Truman battle group was close.

Like at Benghazi, assets not used.


Code of Conduct for Members of the United States Armed Forces
I
I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.
[Article I amended by EO 12633 of Mar. 28, 1988, 53 FR 10355, 3 CFR, 1988 Comp., p. 561]
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I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.
[Article II amended by EO 12633 of Mar. 28, 1988, 53 FR 10355, 3 CFR, 1988 Comp., p. 561]
III
If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.
IV
If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.
V
When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.
[Article V amended by EO 12017 of Nov. 3, 1977, 42 FR 57941, 3 CFR, 1977 Comp., p. 152]
VI
I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.
 
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Can you tell us how, exactly, these sailors drifted 40 miles off course? Can you point us to a statement by the Pentagon or any US official saying these sailors were in Iranian territory?

Further, can you explain why Iran kept the GPS devices if this was just "friendly"?
From what I read they had mechanical problems and this could be the reason they drifted off course but at that time not all information was in as to what exactly happened. As far as I know there still is no exact account of what happened except they drifted into enemy territory. If you know of something proving otherwise, I'd like to see it.

But it if you are going to continue to just throw insults at me then please don't bother. I'm not in the mood for it.
 

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It is so funny he things that is some big ZINGER!!

The only reason, and everyone reading knows it, that he wouldn't accept your wager offer on comparing account balances is it would be revealed that 1. He doesn't risk $1,000 per game and 2. He's not betting his "picks" because there is nothing left.

Nice try liar. But he wouldn't accept the who won more bet which could be easily verified as well. Wonder why? Because it prove he just made a deposit because he constantly reloads after getting crushed.

You don't even have money to reload. You shouldn't even be here.....you lost a ban bet and welched. It was expected though because you're pure scum and nothing but a lying broke dummy.
 

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