Are the Dolphins Overrated

[Bozzie]

Nah they're gonna peak too early

People said that about the 49ers after they crushed Dallas

IDK the schemes they are running are hard to defend ...It's all predicated on the same look with multiple options...`and they run it well.

gonna be interesting second half of the season for sure.

 

[SheriffJoe]

Just saying sometimes teams have a year ir time to do something and that was it. Would they have beaten the Bengals? Who knows. I mean Bengals did lose to bum Stafford. That Rams team wasn't that good.

Good point.

The Rams did have a Pro-Bowl defense with Donald and Von Miller which made JoeyB look very ordinary. Despite that embarrassment of riches to throw to (receivers who are basically Velcro) whenever Ds dial up the pressure, JoeyB has no answers.

But riches cost money, and since the Bengals brass decided to pay JoeyB as "Da Man" that window is closing fast.

Sure, Bills are a disaster with horrible coaching, but JoeyB is still no Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes.

Mahomes is also extremely fortunate to have Andy Reid...the way Brady had Belichick.

Whenever I have these types of discussions in the context of all these 'great' players who never 'won', I always have to remind myself Trent 'Friggin' Dilfer has a Super Bowl ring.

 

[Avocado33]

IDK the schemes they are running are hard to defend ...It's all predicated on the same look with multiple options...`and they run it well.

gonna be interesting second half of the season for sure.

That won't last forever. They are very capable of losing any team any day as well as beating up on the best.

Lamar is very mistake-prone, on top of injury prone

They have been a flash in the pan too many times in recent history

 

[Avocado33]

Good point.

The Rams did have a Pro-Bowl defense with Donald and Von Miller which made JoeyB look very ordinary. Despite that embarrassment of riches to throw to (receivers who are basically Velcro) when Ds dial up the pressure, JoeyB has no answers.

But riches cost money, and since the Bengals brass decided to pay JoeyB as "Da Man" that window is closing fast.

Sure, Bills are a disaster, but JoeyB is still no Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes.

Mahomes is also extremely fortunate to have Andy Reid...the way Brady had Belichick.

Whenever I have these types of discussions, I always have to remind myself Trent 'Friggin' Dilfer has a Super Bowl.

JoeyB is no Josh Allen LOL

Burrow is heads and shoulders above Allen

Allen's physical gifts are the only reason he's not an average QB

 

[Avocado33]

Mahomes is also extremely fortunate to have Andy Reid...the way Brady had Belichick.

I'll say McDermott is a complete stooge

One of the worst challenges I've ever seen in the 4th last night

 

[SheriffJoe]

JoeyB is no Josh Allen LOL

Burrow is heads and shoulders above Allen

Allen's physical gifts are the only reason he's not an average QB

Not even close.

Allen and Mahomes can make plays on the field JoeyB simply can't.

Allen makes a lot of mistakes, sure, but other than Diggs, who is catching the ball? And who is running the ball? Nobody. Kincaid doesn't make that rookie mistake last night driving into the end zone and the Bills could have won. lol

You keep brushing over Chase and Higgins who are padding JoeyB's stats, which no QB in the NFL has...not even Mahomes.

 

[SheriffJoe]

I'll say McDermott is a complete stooge

One of the worst challenges I've ever seen in the 4th last night

He's awful.

And Dorsey is even worse.

Bush league coaching and play calling.

 

[exploited17]

Not even close.

Allen and Mahomes can make plays on the field JoeyB simply can't.

Allen makes a lot of mistakes, sure, but other than Diggs, who is catching the ball? And who is running the ball? Nobody. Kincaid doesn't make that rookie mistake last night driving into the end zone and the Bills could have won. lol

You keep brushing over Chase and Higgins who are padding JoeyB's stats, which no QB in the NFL has...not even Mahomes.

Burrow is a better passer than Allen. If Allen plays college ball and runs, runs, runs he might be better than Burrow. The problem is so much risk involving that.

 

[Avocado33]

Not even close.

Allen and Mahomes can make plays on the field JoeyB simply can't.

Allen makes a lot of mistakes, sure, but other than Diggs, who is catching the ball? And who is running the ball? Nobody. Kincaid doesn't make that rookie mistake last night and the Bills could have won. lol

You keep brushing over Chase and Higgins who are padding JoeyB's stats, which no QB in the NFL has...not even Mahomes.

Problem with this argument is that Burrow has lit up defenses with Chase and/or Higgins off the field

Allen is wreckless most of the time, makes irresponsible decisions, and bitches to the refs when things don't go his way. That little fit about the intential grounding call last night lololol

And worst of all, Allen is a serial flopper

He "can make plays" -- sure. So can Burrow

 

[SheriffJoe]

Burrow couldn't even manage a first down against a dialed-up Ravens D last year in the playoffs for almost the entire 4th quarter. They were lucky to escape that game with a W.

Tua "lighting up" garbage teams with 70 pts (LMAO)....means what again? Doesn't mean the Dolphins are winning anything anytime soon.

The Bills are a genuinely bad football team, especially with losses like Milano, and probably wouldn't even make the playoffs the last few years without Josh Allen, whereas the Bengals would be just fine with any "game manager" at QB. Like I said, throw up the ball and Chase and Higgins come down with it.

Maybe the Bills need to start playing Damar Hamlin.

 

[ERockMoney]

If the Jets can pull a W tonight, which I think they will, could they win the East? Thought I saw some +750 out there at the moment.

Buffalo is a dumpster fire and their schedule is brutal, they won’t even make the playoffs. The Dolphins defense just isn’t good and they are incredibly soft.

 

[Bozzie]

That won't last forever. They are very capable of losing any team any day as well as beating up on the best.

Lamar is very mistake-prone, on top of injury prone

They have been a flash in the pan too many times in recent history

Could be...Lamar and his running backs fumble a ton..with that i'd say the misdirection on handoffs is some of the best I've seen in the pros in a while...faked out the guys in the broadcast center yesterday more than once...

 

[Avocado33]

Could be...Lamar and his running backs fumble a ton..with that i'd say the misdirection on handoffs is some of the best I've seen in the pros in a while...faked out the guys in the broadcast center yesterday more than once...

Yep when it’s clicking it’s very hard to stop

Bengals/Ravens on Thursday night Week 11

Would prefer it wasn’t on short week but could still be one of the games of the year

 

[Avocado33]

If the Jets can pull a W tonight, which I think they will, could they win the East? Thought I saw some +750 out there at the moment.

Buffalo is a dumpster fire and their schedule is brutal, they won’t even make the playoffs. The Dolphins defense just isn’t good and they are incredibly soft.

Not out of the question with their defense, if Wilson can be serviceable

Dolphins defense seems to be trending the right direction though

Bills softer than them at this point lol

 

[Avocado33]

Burrow couldn't even manage a first down against a dialed-up Ravens D last year in the playoffs for almost the entire 4th quarter. They were lucky to escape that game with a W.

Tua "lighting up" garbage teams with 70 pts (LMAO)....means what again? Doesn't mean the Dolphins are winning anything anytime soon.

The Bills are a genuinely bad football team, especially with losses like Milano, and probably wouldn't even make the playoffs the last few years without Josh Allen, whereas the Bengals would be just fine with any "game manager" at QB. Like I said, throw up the ball and Chase and Higgins come down with it.

Maybe the Bills need to start playing Damar Hamlin.

Higgins has been banged up/kinda be shitty this year

Chase is incredible but he only had 41 yards last night — 32 on one catch. Burrow still threw for 350

 

[Avocado33]

Biggest difference is Burrow can move now. If Burrow starts year like this the Bengals are 7-1 at worst

Best pocket awareness and ability to move within the pocket of any QB in the league, and not really close TBH

Also underrated as a runner

 

[CHOPTALK]

you wouldn't trade Higgins for Diggs, would you?

Ummm yea

 

[SheriffJoe]

Higgins has been banged up/kinda be shitty this year

Chase is incredible but he only had 41 yards last night — 32 on one catch. Burrow still threw for 350

That's nice.

Allen 26/38
Burrow 31/44

Allen connected for 34 yards to Diggs. And the two-point conversion was insane.

Kincaid's fumble driving toward end zone isn't on Allen.

Again, look at the rosters top to bottom and the value of Burrow's weapons once their rookie deals expire.

There's no comparison.

Too bad you don't have Allen as your QB or you'd have a Super Bowl or two by now. And given the time squandered under Burrow with cap economics soon catching up, you're probably not getting one.

 

[Bozzie]

Looks like Buffalo missed the window for the time being..not great at making additions where needed.and they hang on to guys in decline...

 

[SheriffJoe]

Ummm yea

Higher or lower cap hit than Diggs on his first non-rookie contract? At least 25m?

Then you have Chase on top of that...Tyreek Hill range 29-30m avg. No, probably higher..

Imagine a QB with TWO Steffon Diggs...TWO Cooper Kupps...TWO Tyreek Hills....TWO AJ Browns.. TWO Davante Adams..

Just measuring market value...

An embarrassment of riches for JoeyB. How has this kid not won a ring and not destroying all the top teams?

Tick Tock goes the Super Bowl clock..