Are the Celtics the worst #1 seed in NBA history?

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Yes you do.

Actually I don't. I think it's funny how people like to paint with a broad brush describing a certain city's fans... I.e. Philly fans are pricks. It seems to me
that all fan bases have assholes, and in somewhat of the same proportion. I get that fans from other cities have probably tired long ago of the success
of Boston teams over the last decade. Maybe there is some attitude with Boston fans in general that comes with that success, is that what you
are referring to? I'm honestly curious?
 

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LOL at Celtics fans praising Brad Stevens and talking about how the Celtics have "a different mindset".

They are playing against Jimmy Butler and a bunch of D-league scrubs. Zipser, Felicio, and Bobby Portis all got double digit minutes. Bulls' big offensive spark plug was Isaiah fucking Canann. And y'all still lost quarters 2 through 4. Think about that.

My point is (other than to point out how hilarious NE fans are in general), this Celtics team is not that good and should not be lauded as such. They are just playing a terrible team that had to beat a resting Nets team on the final day of the season to squeak into the playoffs in the East...and then lost their PG.

Celtics basketball...lol, sheesh, gimme a break. It's an embarrassment that they even lost a game in this series much less 2 home games.

If they play Washington next round and the Wiz are + money it will likely be the biggest wager I've ever made.

HC, IT's younger sister was tragically killed in a car accident one day before the first game of the series. The team was impacted, Ainge said you could see the team was impacted by the way they practiced. They seemed to have have put that behind them in the last two games as their play has improved drastically no matter who the fuck their opponent is. IT may never be over her death, but he's able to block it out on the court now.

LOL at anyone who thinks those things don't matter

Seriously?

As for Brad Stevens, the basketball universe thinks his teams overachieve, that makes him a good coach.
 

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HC, IT's younger sister was tragically killed in a car accident one day before the first game of the series. The team was impacted, Ainge said you could see the team was impacted by the way they practiced. They seemed to have have put that behind them in the last two games as their play has improved drastically no matter who the fuck their opponent is. IT may never be over her death, but he's able to block it out on the court now.

LOL at anyone who thinks those things don't matter

Seriously?

As for Brad Stevens, the basketball universe thinks his teams overachieve, that makes him a good coach.

I do think those things matter. I took Bulls in game 1 because of that news.

I took C's in the next 3 games, because the Bulls are just flat out bad.

I just think it's funny that y'all seem to be using the Bulls as some sort of measuring stick. Success against this joke of a team does not validate anything.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the Celtics and would love to see them in over Cleveland. Just being realistic.

I also think Stevens is a hell of a coach, but not because of anything he has done in this series.
 

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It's definitely a punch to the gut like 10 hours before your biggest games of the season. It has an impact, I don't think anyone is denying that. But it is also an emotional issue which tends to elicit emotional reactions. And then people overrate the impact.

The primary difference between G1-2 and G3-4 is the Bulls quality of looks got significantly worse by replacing their point guard with D-League guys, this made the Celts looks easier to get and it made it easier for the Celts to rebound. And the Celts matchup really well with the Bulls offense if they gotta rely on those wings to carry all the offensive burden more. So it matters but it isn't a substitute for real analysis of the game, matchups, coaching, etc...

Don't think anyone is denying the tragedy had significance but it isn't the primary reason the series dynamic has changed IMO.

And yes, Stevens made a lot of good adjustments. But he always does that, people just only notice it when it works.
 

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I do think those things matter. I took Bulls in game 1 because of that news.

I took C's in the next 3 games, because the Bulls are just flat out bad.

I just think it's funny that y'all seem to be using the Bulls as some sort of measuring stick. Success against this joke of a team does not validate anything.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the Celtics and would love to see them in over Cleveland. Just being realistic.

I also think Stevens is a hell of a coach, but not because of anything he has done in this series.

who'sdonewhatandwhen?

who's done that and when? what C's fan as predicted so much has an Eastern Conference championship?

they totally sucked in games one and two, they played soft and they looked lost on the court. I contend they made Rondo look good, all he had to do was stand there and catch the balls they through to him, literally

so yes, their mindset has improved vastly, that doesn't mean anything more than that
 

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who'sdonewhatandwhen?

who's done that and when? what C's fan as predicted so much has an Eastern Conference championship?

they totally sucked in games one and two, they played soft and they looked lost on the court. I contend they made Rondo look good, all he had to do was stand there and catch the balls they through to him, literally

so yes, their mindset has improved vastly, that doesn't mean anything more than that

Yeah, I get it. It's just little comments that I find funny. Such as:

What's more embarrassing (for the Bulls) is that they are going to lose this series to the Celtics.

In the end IT did the killing.

Butler won't be getting 25 free throws in the Garden.

Bragging about beating this Bulls team, I just find that funny. It's a D-league team.

And THAT (in part) is what I meant about NE fans in general.
 

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And I disagree about the mindset necessarily changing. I think it's more of a function of the Bulls showing the inconsistency that made them the 8 seed, feeling the loss of Rondo, and having probably the most shallow rotation I've ever seen on a playoff basketball team.

But I hope everyone agrees with you, and the public perception is that the C's have "turned it around". Cause an ACTUAL team will whoop their ass if they play like they have been in this series, and I'd love to get + money on that.
 

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who'sdonewhatandwhen?

who's done that and when? what C's fan as predicted so much has an Eastern Conference championship?

they totally sucked in games one and two, they played soft and they looked lost on the court. I contend they made Rondo look good, all he had to do was stand there and catch the balls they through to him, literally

so yes, their mindset has improved vastly, that doesn't mean anything more than that

Any capable PG is going to look good against IT, he is at a big disadvantage defensively.

But he did a lot more than catch the ball, he was creating open shots off double teams and opportunities for his teammates for large portions of the 1st two games. This was pretty much a catalyst for everything the Bulls did.

This isn't football where 1 guy goes out and if it isn't the QB you can get by, one player can change a lot in a 7 game series pretty fast in the right circumstances. Even a player as average overall as Rondo. Especially his backups being who they are.
 
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Yeah, I get it. It's just little comments that I find funny. Such as:

What's more embarrassing (for the Bulls) is that they are going to lose this series to the Celtics.


The comment was meant to be funny... I think you're reading way too much into it.

To be clear, I don't have any delusions about how bad the Celtics are. I don't think they could beat
*any* of the teams that made the playoffs in the west in a 7 games series.
 
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In the end IT did the killing.

Heard Danny Ainge on the radio on Friday. He said that Celtic practices had a pall over them. No joking, no looseness. Everybody was tight, not knowing how to respond in the wake of Thomas' sister's untimely death.

Looks like they've shaken free and are back to Celtic basketball.

Kudos to Brad Stevens for starting Gerald Green the last two games. Impactfull tonight for sure.

And the loss of Rondo is having a major impact on Chicago's ball movement.

Butler won't be getting 25 free throws in the Garden. Celts should get the next two.

LOL at Celtics fans praising Brad Stevens and talking about how the Celtics have "a different mindset".

They are playing against Jimmy Butler and a bunch of D-league scrubs. Zipser, Felicio, and Bobby Portis all got double digit minutes. Bulls' big offensive spark plug was Isaiah fucking Canann. And y'all still lost quarters 2 through 4. Think about that.

My point is (other than to point out how hilarious NE fans are in general), this Celtics team is not that good and should not be lauded as such. They are just playing a terrible team that had to beat a resting Nets team on the final day of the season to squeak into the playoffs in the East...and then lost their PG.

Celtics basketball...lol, sheesh, gimme a break. It's an embarrassment that they even lost a game in this series much less 2 home games.

If they play Washington next round and the Wiz are + money it will likely be the biggest wager I've ever made.

Celts just benched IT because he was getting destroyed on the Butler/Canaan brush screens

Surprised announcers haven't mentioned it. Just gonna overlook a team benching it's leading scorer I guess.

edit: Back in now. Should be interesting. He was getting killed.

What bragging? I was discussing the game at hand within the context of the thread.

The soul had come out of the team in the immediacy of the death of IT's sister. The Celtics have solid leadership at the player level, the coaching level, the GM level, and the Organizational level. They hurt as a team when their best player, and a well liked player, was severely wounded just as they went into the Playoffs. On SOME TEAMS that kind of thing matters. This is a close organization vertically and that kind of thing matters here.

With a little time, after her burial, and after being embarrassed in the first two games in the Garden, they suddenly regained their mojo.

When I said "in the end IT did the killing" it was in the flow of the thread responding to the post above mine. Did you watch the game? Maybe YOUR bias is clouding your judgement because in the end IT clearly did the killing and was clearly the MVP of that game.

I bet these games. I pay attention. I'm not your best XXs and OOs guy but I pay close attention to shifts in how a team is playing and try to pinpoint why those shifts are occurring. Personnel conflicts and team chemistry are big factors. As for your Bulls, it should be noted that prior to the Celtics coming out of their funk and taking the last two (yes Rondo mattered) they won 11 of their last 16 and covered 12 of their last 16. They clearly had gotten it together heading into the playoffs. Why the change over what had been a very dismal season? Because Wade went out (I thought for the season and was surprised to see him in Game 1) and Rondo took over. The team leadership had changed. The Bulls responded. It is no coincidence that they lost the last two with Rondo on the bench.

As for my comment about Jimmy Butler and his 25 free throws, what is inaccurate about that? The NBA is a homer superstar league. I'll give you 2-1 that says Jimmy Butler doesn't get 25 free throws in either of the next two games in Boston.

In the end, we Boston fans are aware of the limitations of this Celtic team. We are also aware that they had the best record in the East. That, my friend is overachieving. Overachieving can only happen when there is great coaching and great, unselfish team play.

If you don't think that Brad Stevens is one of the top five coaches in the game I don't think you understand the game. Overachievement is the definition of great coaching.

Bragging? Nobody's bragging. We're discussing the flow of a series.

And it's fun when the team you root for overachieves. And it's fun when the smallest guy in the league dominates (yes offensively only) men that tower over him on a big man's game.

How far will these C's go? I don't know. For me it's about the ride, not the destination. It's been a fun ride.

And just for shits and giggles I'll take the Celts vs Wash in a friendly bet with you IF we even get that series.
 
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let brad Stevens win an NBA Championship before calling him a top coach....hell, let him get to a final....
 

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let brad Stevens win an NBA Championship before calling him a top coach....hell, let him get to a final....

When oddsmakers make lines, do they price in that Brad Stevens hasn't made a final or do they rate the Celts as an extremely well coached team?

Performance is a lagging indicator of ability, if you wait for everyone to accomplish something big then you'll never be able to forecast who is going to do so.

If one knew that Brad Stevens was a coach that maximized talent, they would've smashed the win total the last 2 years.
 
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Isaiah Thomas has 51 points, with 67 seconds to go against the Wizards. Dude is the real deal.
 

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Stevens really did a great job pushing the tempo and making sure Celts had the right lineups in when the Wizards didn't have their 5 starters in together. They're just so much more exploitable then, those minutes are so important.

And Wizards definitely weren't as spry down the stretch because of it.
 

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