Anyone starting to get it yet?

[DarrylParsons]

Borat,

You seem to make the assumption that taxed income amounts to slavery while untaxed income amounts to being free.

I consider myself much freer than Bill Gates because even though he could theoretically sell everything he owns and live like me but with a zillion times more money, as a practical matter he can't, even if deep, deep down he really, really wanted to. Why? Because too many people are depending on him. It would seriously jeopardize the stability of world markets. He knows this and so his sense of responsibility keeps him from selling out. He owes it to the people to keep doing what he's doing. In other words, he's a slave.

If you and I are freer than Bill Gates, then it hardly makes sense to get into any calculations based on assumptions which are radically different from this.

 

[Phaedrus]

As you are well aware, the avertage crippingly poor person in America lives like European royalty of a century or two ago -- thanks almost entirely to our (relatively) free market economy.

There are certainly those who slip through the cracks, and it is a tragedy to be sure.

I don't need a gun to protect myself against those people; more often than not I am lined up trying to help them. I need a gun to protect myself against people like yourself and the governments who represent them.


Phaedrus

 

[JackDee]

"As you are well aware, the avertage crippingly poor person in America lives like European royalty of a century or two ago -- thanks almost entirely to our (relatively) free market economy. "

I am sorry there phaedrus, first of all they live like poor middle class of a couple of centuries ago (which isn't saying much really, is it?), they could be much better off, and the fact that they get something instead of nothing is not due to "fee market economy", what i call anarchocapitalism, it's because technological advances in agriculture, manufacturing, health and medicine, communications etc. etc. over those years have been so immense, that the rich can now make much more than they used to, and get an even larger portion of the world's wealth and still be able to throw the odd bone to the poor, of much better quality nowadays.

 

[Oceans11]

You need a gun to protect yourself from people like me that take the mick?

I'm OK P. no poverty here, healthcare is free, no gun toting desperadoes running about, quite happy thanx.

If your country is sooo fabby, turn your gun in, and give yourself over to love and trust.
Trust in God. not a .357 magnum.

I'm actually being unfair, because the US is such an easy target.
No real intelligence required...unfortunately.

 

[BoratSagdiyev]

eek Darryl and Phaedreus. You guys are among my three favorite and logical posters on this forum by the way and I am happy to have all three of you here at the same time. Are you guys going to ba around for a while? I would like to chat a bit while I have you here.

 

[Oceans11]

JackDeeeee.

You Greek git, congratulations on your Euro triumph!
Told ya my bet was a good fade...
(get another poosycat btw sir. Theres another one out there that needs someone, don't dwell. Just remember.)

Hope the Olympics work out ok, we live in troubled times thanks to our American allies.

 

[JackDee]

the u.s. is indeed an easy target, u.s. bashing is on the forefront of submission too, or so it seems nowadays, the moto goes "blame it on the u.s. and dubya, and buy a multibillion conglomarate book about their deeds and go see a sub par pseudo revolutionary movie spoon fed by another multibillion conglomarate, and have a mcd's and coke on us and then go back to sleep, and above all don't think".

That said, the bulk of idiocy emanating from the other side of the atlantic is most of the time stupefying.

 

[BoratSagdiyev]

Allright. Sorry for not mentioning you on my list of favorite poster but I am still mad at you for not sending me that email yet. So in case robfunk chimes in and is upset I will say it now. JackDee and RobFunk are on that list too. I just didn't think you were awake buddy.

 

[JackDee]

Hope all is going well for you too eek, always a pleasure to see you around in these forums. And i sincerely hope we greeks, or at least those in charge, don't mess up the olympics. Americans have sure given us, yet again, a helping hand at propagandising against them for "security reasons". There hasn't been any terrorist threat against civilians for say, oh the past 30 something and more years here in greece, but the policy makers of the powers that be have had other plans over the past few years...

p.s. btw, wtf is wrong with the american track and field team for the olympics, they d been saying the soviet where the ones giving anabolic steroids to their athletes, but it was first florence gryffif joiner's death (sp?), god rest her soul, at around fourty and now the american governing body is getting in one trial after the other with athletes, "doctors", and shady figures on drug charges and a lot of their star athletes have curiously started to do less well in world events. Marion Jones was just beyong any competition in her sport and after her ex husband admitted to drug charges, she's been doing from bad to worse, and even got disqualified at a poor 5th position a few days ago in what i believe was a preliminary for the olympic games... Strange things...

 

[Oceans11]

I see ya setting yourself up for bets JD, any locks.

Whats yer beef Borat.Fire away.

 

[BoratSagdiyev]

I have a nice site for you guys to check out but not now as I will be going to sleep soon and want to spend as much "quality" time as possible. I think that we are all on the same page to be quite honest. Don't be fooled by my sometimes silly posts on the offshore forum as I am just trying to lighten things up and put a few smiles on peoples faces.It is not my fault that I fail more often than I suceed.

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/index.php?

Jack...check out this posts and give your thoughts....
http://forum.therx.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=100090022&f=988094022&m=370107041&r=940104951#940104951

 

[BoratSagdiyev]

Just a quick thought on slavery first eek....

Although I think it is morally wrong to go to an area of the world and capture people in order to profit from the selling of a human being I do find it acceptable to, after winning a war, round up all the able bodied men and keep them as slaves for one generation. The only other options are

1.kill them

2.let them go in which case they will come back and attack you (blame it on our preprogrammed human nature)

3.allow them the illusion of things returning to normal and engage in economic whatever you want to call it for God knows how long.

How long do you guys think it is permissable to let economic whatever you want to call it continue after winning war?

I always wondered as a youngster.....hey we won WWII...I thought " to the victor go the spoils"..what is going on in this case? But now I see that the actual quote should be "to the few in the victorious nation who are in the position(for whatever reason) go the spoils.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eek:
I see ya setting yourself up for bets JD, any locks.

Whats yer beef Borat.Fire away.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

 

[Oceans11]

Thats a scary link BS.
I dont do religion stuff.

God is in charge, all else is fluff.

Anyone who claims they 'represent' him is a mortal and a hoax.

He knows everything, thats everything.
He knows what you did, and what you were like, before you were even born.

 

[BoratSagdiyev]

Totally agree eek. Who more so than anyone in the world is under the impression that God is on their side?

 

[Oceans11]

You don't have to kill/enslave people now BS.
Its too much trouble/expense, bad publicity.

The easiest option is to make them a part of your empire.

The best system is overwhelming integration, like lotsa white dudes flood into the area after the military have swept through.
Like with the American Indians and the hawaiians.

Thats the minority system.

In the middle east though, no-one is emigrating there, so its in a rut.

Plus they have 1000 year culture of being pissed about by outsiders, from the crusades and the ottoman empire, the Brits, to Uncle Sam today.

So the entire area has developed a sub-culture of surviving, resisting and existing under the yoke of an outside empire culture.

Big mess. Big waste of time.

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Pure slavery is not recommended.
Mr Hitler and his mates liked it though.

 

[Benassflick]

There is an incredible amount of cover-up regarding the American Olympic team. An American Olympic dope testing judge was fired a number of years back because he wanted to test for the drugs he new the athletes to be using. They insisted he only test for the ones they say (this way catching and disgracing no Americans)He refused so they fired him and he wrote a scathing book on it. The majority of you don't even read a single book a year so what are the chances you would have any knowledge of this one or this situation.

 

[BoratSagdiyev]

ok newbie666 whatever guy. on a serious note, America has become a nation where no one reads a book in one year.

 

[Oceans11]

Its not very sporting, but I believe that the original Greeks took all kinds of weird and wonderful potions to enhance their performance.

So drugs in sport is not a new thing.

I'm not sure about its morals, insofar that the individual is trapped inside a human body.

Then again, are little implanted electric motors in the joints allowed, to boost performance, not really, so why should chemical boosters be allowed...

But whats the limit that a human can achieve?
Do drugs allow us to 'advance' faster towards the same objectives?

 

[BoratSagdiyev]

Great point eek. I am beggining to think that...in addition to what you say that a place like ancient Greece in addition to America was actually run from somewhere else.Not really as an experiment but as a way of getting the most " production" out of each individual. If you told someone that they had to work like crazy they may object. If you present or make real a horrible situation in their native land and offer to them a place where they can work that is "better" than where they came from they will happilly oblige. The only problem is...what happens after several generation....during which people become so called "natives". It seems like there needs to be and has been a destruction of some sorts...all those that remember need to die...and things need to start anew. I wonder how many times this has happened in the past.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eek:
You don't have to kill/enslave people now BS.
Its too much trouble/expense, bad publicity.

The easiest option is to make them a part of your empire.

The best system is overwhelming integration, like lotsa white dudes flood into the area after the military have swept through.
Like with the American Indians and the hawaiians.

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Pure slavery is not recommended.
Mr Hitler and his mates liked it though.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

 

[Benassflick]

you guys are boring the crap out of me and probably each other as well. Say goodnight Borat