Anybody here ever make a counterfeit bill...

[Doug]

WHO
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Albert Talton
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Criminal history for 10 years‐ bank fraud
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Educated‐ UCLA‐ Electrical Engineering
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1987 BOSE came out with speakers the size of shoe boxes with lots of BASS
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Talton bought the speakers for $2500, took them apart and remade them.


He's not like some 19 year old college kid doing it !

This was done by smart people !

 

[Doug]

Collector items ( coins esp.) get reproduced constantly better by the Chinese....and re-sold on e-bay by scammers. They are getting good enough to fool many coin dealers !

http://www.jinghuashei.com/

Stamps, sportscards, etc, are vulnerable too ! They make fake gold, silver, etc. ingots as well....that is easier to spot .....very tough to fake the weight of gold.....maybe alloy lead with platinum and plate it with Gold or something like that....but Platinum is more than Gold, but like twice as heavy.

Anyhow there are fake gold/ silver bars out there. Silver- plated lead isn't good enough ( usually 100 ounce bars). Only weighs like 90 ounces (?) if made to correct size.

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

I printed up a couple dozen twenties and used them in Tijuana on a couple whores.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!

 

[Doug]

Fake silver bars....

http://about.ag/Lead100OunceBars.htm

 

[Doug]

Seriously most Counterfeit currency is very awful. It would be hard for me to get the back to line up properly with the front, if I attempted to counterfeit.

Bills are printed on 32 note sheets ( from memory) , 8 X4. The printing has many stages.

An amateur won't get the paper right, first of all, then just aligning the sides. Then get the ink half-ass close and the crispness off quality tight images, then the security strip, micro-printing, watermarks, color-shifting ink, etc. Very hard to make a good quality "Bad" over a $20. Even a fiver would be not easy.

You need better equipment than Staples Laserjet printers.

They can do it in roque nation-states with the desire to undermine the US economy, not some guy in a condo in LA !

 

[JDeuce]

I can't !, don't know enough about it.

The paper has to be "feel" right though, very tough to fake. You won't get a fake past me, but I don't know how to make a good one.

I do believe any decent counterfeit starts with a bleached out $1 bill.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the company who supplies the paper to print US bills is only allowed to sell their paper to the US treasury. No one else is legally allowed to buy paper from them. I can't remember where I heard/read that, but it makes sense.

I remember cracking up at an episode of Beavis and Butthead...they try to counterfeit money by photo copying a dollar bill over and over again, and as they're doing it, Butthead says "I can't believe no one has ever thought of this before!"

One time, I picked up a huge stack from my local (over 5 figures). I looked at each one and some of them looked a little bit worn out. But when you pick up that kind of money, you're not going to sit there and hold each bill up to the light to make sure it is legit. I ended up taking a good chunk of that to Vegas anyway...

Anyone see the "new" $100 bill that's coming out? It has some kind of hi-tech ribbon on it that they claim makes it counterfeit-proof. I thought it was supposed to be released to the public any day now...not sure what the delay is...

 

[quantumleap]

Collector items ( coins esp.) get reproduced constantly better by the Chinese....and re-sold on e-bay by scammers. They are getting good enough to fool many coin dealers !

http://www.jinghuashei.com/

Stamps, sportscards, etc, are vulnerable too ! They make fake gold, silver, etc. ingots as well....that is easier to spot .....very tough to fake the weight of gold.....maybe alloy lead with platinum and plate it with Gold or something like that....but Platinum is more than Gold, but like twice as heavy.

Anyhow there are fake gold/ silver bars out there. Silver- plated lead isn't good enough ( usually 100 ounce bars). Only weighs like 90 ounces (?) if made to correct size.

The density of tungsten is very close to gold. Tungsten is 19.25 gm/cc and gold is 19.3 gm/cc. I've read about people coating tungsten in gold.

 

[Doug]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the company who supplies the paper to print US bills is only allowed to sell their paper to the US treasury. No one else is legally allowed to buy paper from them. I can't remember where I heard/read that, but it makes sense.

I remember cracking up at an episode of Beavis and Butthead...they try to counterfeit money by photo copying a dollar bill over and over again, and as they're doing it, Butthead says "I can't believe no one has ever thought of this before!"

One time, I picked up a huge stack from my local (over 5 figures). I looked at each one and some of them looked a little bit worn out. But when you pick up that kind of money, you're not going to sit there and hold each bill up to the light to make sure it is legit. I ended up taking a good chunk of that to Vegas anyway...

Anyone see the "new" $100 bill that's coming out? It has some kind of hi-tech ribbon on it that they claim makes it counterfeit-proof. I thought it was supposed to be released to the public any day now...not sure what the delay is...

They fucked up printing them....

http://www.newser.com/story/106960/feds-quarantine-110b-in-potentially-defective-100-bills.html

 

[Doug]

The density of tungsten is very close to gold. Tungsten is 19.25 gm/cc and gold is 19.3 gm/cc. I've read about people coating tungsten in gold.

I didn't read all this....

http://www.safehaven.com/article/15191/gold-plated-tungsten-bars-yes-or-no

but isn't Tungsten magnetic ? that would be a big problem !

I never liked bars, anyway !

Tungsten I'm sure is super hard, would never work as coinage material, so you're fine with the gold struck bullion coins anyways, IMO !

The mint has had problems striking nickels ( 75% copper, 25% nickel) since day one of using that alloy ( 1866- till now). Even if Tungsten were a viable fake gold, you won't be striking fake gold coins from it ! Gold is so soft they had to add 10% copper to it ( for circulating gold coins), now you can make .999 fine or better since it doesn't circulate.

Nickels have always been a PIA for the mint, since they stopped making silver half-dimes. Even now a nickel has like 7-8 cents worth of metal in it.

 

[bigtendominator]

If you need any questions answered on the subject id be glad to run them by our local Heismann Trophy winning money counterfeiting Orthodonist..........Anybody know his name without Google???????

Didn't google, but I know Billy Cannon is a dentist in prison. Is that right?

 

[5teamparlay]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=%2Fn%2Fa%2F2011%2F01%2F25%2Fstate%2Fn165635S30.DTL

Man charged with using counterfeit bills at casino


Tuesday, January 25, 2011
(01-25) 16:56 PST HIGHLAND, Calif. (AP) --
A suspected member of the Nazi Low Riders and his wife have been charged with using counterfeit money at the San Manuel Indian Bingo and Casino in Highland.
The state Department of Justice said Tuesday that casino staff suspected Donald Thrash of Ontario and his wife Kerry were gambling with counterfeit bills in December and called police.
Special Agent Dave Vialpando says agents searched Thrash's home in Ontario and found more than $1,000 in $5 bills that were washed and reprinted to look like $100 bills. They also found drugs and evidence that he belonged to a white supremacist street gang.
Vialpando says criminals are foolish to commit crimes in casinos because their actions are caught on video tape, which makes it easy to prosecute them.

 

[Dante]

 

[festeringZit]

Anyone who considers passing fake money is a fucking sleazebag and a cheat.

Why don't you just start a thread on how you can fuck people over.

hno:

 

[texansfan]

Not sure why the U.S. still uses paper money. The Secret Service has to be notified in every case where counterfeit money is found, regardless of the denomination. It's easy to get slipped a counterfeit note, most times you don't even know you have one until someone points it out if you're not looking.

I know Australia uses a plastic polymer or something to make their currency. That stuff probably lasts forever unlike our money.

 

[VegasRandy]

Here is a story about one of the best counterfeiters and how he did it...It's 3 parts

 

[VegasRandy]

 

[VegasRandy]

 

[Papillon]

Here is a story about one of the best counterfeiters and how he did it...It's 3 parts

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Excellent video. Interesting that US currency isn't colored but the video mentioned that is one of the most difficult aspects of counterfeiting. Makes me believe that counterfeiting US currency isn't beyond a normal person, if dedicated.

 

[donkeybucks]

Way back in the day....oh lets just say back in the '70s my brother used slugs in the soda machine outside the gas station in town. It worked and we enjoyed soda.

 

[5teamparlay]

http://lexch.com/articles/2011/02/03/news/regional/doc4d4aba667aeae651495541.txt

Bellevue busts counterfeit operation




by Whitney Pandil-Eaton
Leader Staff Writer

Published: Thursday, February 3, 2011 8:25 AM CST
OMAHA - An Omaha man and a juvenile were arrested Jan. 24 in a counterfeiting operation that began at a school in Bellevue and ended at a home in Omaha.

Emmauel Machiek, 22, was charged with first degree forgery, possession of a forged instrument and possession of a forgery device, all felonies, after police searched his home.

The counterfeit money was used as payment for admission into a sporting event at Bryan High School by an unidentified 16-year-old student, who was also arrested.

According to Bellevue and Omaha police, at approximately 1 p.m. on Jan. 24 a school resource officer was contacted by the school administration to report the use of counterfeit money. Questioning of a student suspect led police to conduct a search warrant for the home at 3435 Augusta Ave. in Omaha. The search resulted in the location of $8,000 in counterfeit bills as well as forgery equipment and guns.

Involved in the operation were BPD, OPD, Douglas County Sheriff's Office and the U.S. Secret Service, which handles counterfeiting cases.

According to Omaha police, the Secret Service will seek a federal indictment in the case.