I'm more intrigued by those that counterfeit coinage, as I'm much more of a Numismatist than a currency guy.
There are tons of excellent counterfeit collector coins ( mostly from China), out there , in recent years, damn good quality !
I'm really fascinated by those that counterfeit coinage, to pass at face value...I think some guy made fake US nickels in the 1960's.
It was common for counterfeiters to try to pass off fake half dollars, and Silver dollars, in the years after the Civil War, say 1870-1890.
They made "cast" copies out of lead, instead of Silver, I've seen hundreds of these crude fakes...remember 50 cents in 1875, was probably like $20 today.
They wouldn't fool the most novice modern collector today, but they weren't intended to be fakes of rarities, just circulating money.
There are tons of excellent counterfeit collector coins ( mostly from China), out there , in recent years, damn good quality !
I'm really fascinated by those that counterfeit coinage, to pass at face value...I think some guy made fake US nickels in the 1960's.
It was common for counterfeiters to try to pass off fake half dollars, and Silver dollars, in the years after the Civil War, say 1870-1890.
They made "cast" copies out of lead, instead of Silver, I've seen hundreds of these crude fakes...remember 50 cents in 1875, was probably like $20 today.
They wouldn't fool the most novice modern collector today, but they weren't intended to be fakes of rarities, just circulating money.
You don't really "bleach" a bill. You remove the ink. It leaves the bill in pretty rough shape and wrinkled. You can use butoxyethanol which is an active ingredient in cleaners such as Formula 409 and scrub the bill with a toothbrush. I bought some wood cleaner at Home Depot with some of that in it and it took the ink off the bill but the liquid was green so it stained the bill dark green so it was unusable.
The other alternative is to buy a cotton/linen blend paper and print the bills that way. The problem with that is that the counterfeit pens will turn dark in the presence of starch. Real currency paper doesn't have starch in it so the counterfeit pen ink will remain clear.
Newer printers will not print bills. Some will print bills but with a darker hue so you know it's fake. So if you're going to print some fake currency use an older printer.
I printed up a couple dozen twenties and used them in Tijuana on a couple whores. They aren't going to have a counterfeit pen and I don't go there often enough that they will remember me if they even did find out they were fake. I stopped printing them because I didn't want to accidentally mix them up with some real bills and get caught.
It's not worth the trouble.
"I printed up a couple dozen twenties and used them in Tijuana on a couple whores. They aren't going to have a counterfeit pen and I don't go there often enough that they will remember me if they even did find out they were fake. I stopped printing them because I didn't want to accidentally mix them up with some real bills and get caught."
It's not worth the trouble.
"the whores aren't going to have a counterfeit pen..." :lol: classic
fucking quantum and all you guys... always make me laugh.
hey this what i did to make some money back in my 30s when i was heavily into sex drugs and rock and roll. The day after the Lotto results came out for Tuesday, (Wed) I bought a ticket for Fidays Lotto with the winning numbers for Tuesday Lotto on it. So now I have an official ticket with the winning numbers for Tuesday but the wrong date (Its got Fridays date). So hidding the date with my thumb I approached some illegal/undocumented stranger and told them I had a 1 million dollar Lotto ticket, showing them the ticket and the newspaper with the winning numbers for Tues. I told him i had massive warrants out for my arrest and that i would sell him my ticket for $10,000 but i wanted the money right now. Of course thay tried to bargaing with me blah blah blah, i acted like the cops were right on me and i wanted to get high right now so fuck it; give me 5 grand and the million is yours. More, haggling and before it was over i was running down the street with $1000 dollars. I went to the crack house to buy an 8-ball and guess what? The fucking crack dealer had a motherfucking counterfit pen! Yup; my fucking grand was counterfit! aint that the shit!
Fucking ilegales you gotta love em, no honor among thieves
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It's not worth the trouble.
"the whores aren't going to have a counterfeit pen..." :lol: classic
fucking quantum and all you guys... always make me laugh.
hey this what i did to make some money back in my 30s when i was heavily into sex drugs and rock and roll. The day after the Lotto results came out for Tuesday, (Wed) I bought a ticket for Fidays Lotto with the winning numbers for Tuesday Lotto on it. So now I have an official ticket with the winning numbers for Tuesday but the wrong date (Its got Fridays date). So hidding the date with my thumb I approached some illegal/undocumented stranger and told them I had a 1 million dollar Lotto ticket, showing them the ticket and the newspaper with the winning numbers for Tues. I told him i had massive warrants out for my arrest and that i would sell him my ticket for $10,000 but i wanted the money right now. Of course thay tried to bargaing with me blah blah blah, i acted like the cops were right on me and i wanted to get high right now so fuck it; give me 5 grand and the million is yours. More, haggling and before it was over i was running down the street with $1000 dollars. I went to the crack house to buy an 8-ball and guess what? The fucking crack dealer had a motherfucking counterfit pen! Yup; my fucking grand was counterfit! aint that the shit!
Fucking ilegales you gotta love em, no honor among thieves
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Trying to pass some fake bills is really risky SHIT !
They best be good quality printing, on real rag-paper-stock ( $1 Bill, blanched out), you better hope you don't try to pass it on a 17 yr old ,Doug at the supermarket working the register. I might have looked like some Nerd HS kid, back then ( around 1981), but in reality , I'd have spotted a fake bill, easily !
You never know who you are dealing with! Same with a fight !
I wouldn't touch counterfeiting, but I used to deal dope....long ago.
They best be good quality printing, on real rag-paper-stock ( $1 Bill, blanched out), you better hope you don't try to pass it on a 17 yr old ,Doug at the supermarket working the register. I might have looked like some Nerd HS kid, back then ( around 1981), but in reality , I'd have spotted a fake bill, easily !
You never know who you are dealing with! Same with a fight !
I wouldn't touch counterfeiting, but I used to deal dope....long ago.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/jan/21/court-denies-claims-man-counterfeiting-ring-who-lo/
Court denies claims of man in counterfeiting ring who lost $1.9 million at Caesars Palace
By Cy Ryan (contact)
Friday, Jan. 21, 2011 | 2:07 p.m.
CARSON CITY – A federal appeals court has denied the petition of a man convicted in a counterfeiting ring who tried to make up for $1.9 million lost at a Las Vegas casino.
The U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals rejected claims of Chen Chiang Liu, sentenced to 151 months in prison on his conviction of conspiracy to import, transfer and sell high quality counterfeit U.S. $100 bills.
Liu, of Los Angeles, was arrested in California in 2005 and indicted by a federal grand jury. His pre-trial travel was restricted, but he continued to gamble in Las Vegas, losing $1.9 million between February 2006 and July 2007 at Caesars Palace. He was arrested in July 2007 while playing the penny slot machines at the casino using counterfeit money, officials said.
The appeals court, in a decision written by Judged Richard Tallman, upheld the rulings of federal District Judge James Mahan, who presided over the Liu trial in Las Vegas.
Tallman wrote, “The evidence at trial showed that Liu was involved in a sophisticated international enterprise to import high quality counterfeit currency into the United States in $100 denominations called 'supernotes.'”
“The quality of the supernotes was so good that the counterfeit bills could pass undetected through slot machines and cash-counting machines in Las Vegas.”
The counterfeit bills were reportedly made in Korea and the customers would travel to Hong Kong, where they would pay 35 to 40 cents on the dollar for the supernotes.
The appeals court rejected the argument of Liu that he wasn't brought to trial within 70 days. Liu’s wife was indicted in Nevada following the charge against her husband in California. She was also arrested in Las Vegas playing a slot machine but she was acquitted after trial.
The appeals court said the subsequent indictment of Liu and his wife in Nevada didn't warrant a reversal of the Liu conviction.
Tallman said the delay wasn't unreasonable. “This was a sophisticated worldwide conspiracy to import high quality counterfeit United States currency.”
The court also rejected Liu’s claim that the jury instructions were defective.
Court denies claims of man in counterfeiting ring who lost $1.9 million at Caesars Palace
By Cy Ryan (contact)
Friday, Jan. 21, 2011 | 2:07 p.m.
CARSON CITY – A federal appeals court has denied the petition of a man convicted in a counterfeiting ring who tried to make up for $1.9 million lost at a Las Vegas casino.
The U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals rejected claims of Chen Chiang Liu, sentenced to 151 months in prison on his conviction of conspiracy to import, transfer and sell high quality counterfeit U.S. $100 bills.
Liu, of Los Angeles, was arrested in California in 2005 and indicted by a federal grand jury. His pre-trial travel was restricted, but he continued to gamble in Las Vegas, losing $1.9 million between February 2006 and July 2007 at Caesars Palace. He was arrested in July 2007 while playing the penny slot machines at the casino using counterfeit money, officials said.
The appeals court, in a decision written by Judged Richard Tallman, upheld the rulings of federal District Judge James Mahan, who presided over the Liu trial in Las Vegas.
Tallman wrote, “The evidence at trial showed that Liu was involved in a sophisticated international enterprise to import high quality counterfeit currency into the United States in $100 denominations called 'supernotes.'”
“The quality of the supernotes was so good that the counterfeit bills could pass undetected through slot machines and cash-counting machines in Las Vegas.”
The counterfeit bills were reportedly made in Korea and the customers would travel to Hong Kong, where they would pay 35 to 40 cents on the dollar for the supernotes.
The appeals court rejected the argument of Liu that he wasn't brought to trial within 70 days. Liu’s wife was indicted in Nevada following the charge against her husband in California. She was also arrested in Las Vegas playing a slot machine but she was acquitted after trial.
The appeals court said the subsequent indictment of Liu and his wife in Nevada didn't warrant a reversal of the Liu conviction.
Tallman said the delay wasn't unreasonable. “This was a sophisticated worldwide conspiracy to import high quality counterfeit United States currency.”
The court also rejected Liu’s claim that the jury instructions were defective.
The counterfeit the US has to worry about is from N. Korea, Cuba, Iran & other "terrorist" states, etc. Maybe even China, though they just about own us legally.
N. Korea is the big one. When you have the full faith and efforts of the gubermint of North Korea trying to pull it off, I think they can be quite successful.
As for personally, not a chance will i fvck with this.
I remember reading somewhere (maybe even here???) that up until a short time ago it wasn't illegal to produce "tokens" that were used in slot machines, and somebody made a bunch of high denomination tokens at one of the CT casinos and was able to use them without getting into trouble since it wasn't illegal to make your own tokens.
N. Korea is the big one. When you have the full faith and efforts of the gubermint of North Korea trying to pull it off, I think they can be quite successful.
As for personally, not a chance will i fvck with this.
I remember reading somewhere (maybe even here???) that up until a short time ago it wasn't illegal to produce "tokens" that were used in slot machines, and somebody made a bunch of high denomination tokens at one of the CT casinos and was able to use them without getting into trouble since it wasn't illegal to make your own tokens.
When I printed up a couple 20's for the Tijuana whores I also printed up a $100 on linen resume paper. I put it in my pocket separately from my real cash so I knew I wouldn't spend it. Whenever I reached for my keys I would feel this bill. It was really smooth compared to real money.
I'm sure you know, but for those who don't, real money is printed using intaglio printing. This prints the ink so that it is raised on the bill and feels "textured". When you feel a bill that is simply printed on resume paper you can really notice that it is not real currency paper.
A kid in college printed off about 500 in fake twenties and mixed them in with other real bills and bought a few ounces from the local dealer. he was a dumb polish kid found out when he took it to his bossman later. nice little bounty on the kid if he could be found. he moved back to michigan
One of the biggest counterfeit operations in history was run out of a condominium in Lawndale,CA by a few guys using computers and inkjet printers.... they bought all their supplies at Staples and made their own paper out of newsprint and tissue...
http://vvww.westernchemistry.com/keen_forensics_files/inkjet_scam.pdf
http://vvww.westernchemistry.com/keen_forensics_files/inkjet_scam.pdf
I'd like to see these fake notes in person. I can't imagine that they would feel right !
Nice link with basically some tips. I don't see anyway these notes could have re-produced the micro-printing on real notes or the color shifting inks. I guess it could fool a Jack in the box cashier reliably enough ( probably still cameras there). It should start to get caught at the bank/ casino level . 50's and 100's get a fair amount of scrutiny from unknown customers....the pen test, maybe hold it up to a light, call a mgr over, etc. I wouldn't go beyond a 20 if I were to try it. Casino slots might be a good hit , with a good disguise, if the machines take it. I think a 2-3 person team could pass a lot in one night in LV on the strip....if the bills were good enough to fool the machines ? The vouchers you'd get from the machines in return would be pretty decent ( for at least a few days). I have my doubts about these bills fooling a slot machine.....but no harm, they just get spit back.
I couldn't imagine paying 50 cents on the dollar for fake bills, either !
