is, the goaltender's leg is clearly flush with the ice surface and the puck is clearly flush with the bottom of his leg, ergo, the puck is touching the ice surface, not "several inches" above it. The angle of the goalie's leg suggests strongly that it's flush, not only because it appears to angle downward from his knee, meaning the skate end is on the ice surface, but if you look at a wider angle photo here, you will see that he's on his knee with his weight supported on his right leg. This was a goal, plain and simple.
There was recently a study done regarding the correlation between money and happiness.
There was an huge correlation between those that had earned their wealth, whereas there was little to none with people that didn't (lottery, inheritence).
Imagine how much happier you'd be if they actually earned it.
There was an huge correlation between those that had earned their wealth, whereas there was little to none with people that didn't (lottery, inheritence).
Imagine how much happier you'd be if they actually earned it.
Cup losers blaming refs has been going on in the NHL forever. Natrually it happens mostly in close hard palyed series like this one. I remember harry Sinden crying about the Broad St. Bullies in 74. How about Jim Schoenfield and Don Kowharski - the donut incident. Losing the cup by such a narrow margin can be very traumatic natrually fans want to blame something beside the fact that their team only scored one goal in game seven and blew a 3-2 game lead. NHL officials don't have the benefit of as many angles as the viewers do, and they certainly don't have the time to enlarge the shot, show it frame-by-frame, etc. According to the statement issued by the league after the game they did not have a conclusive look at it. Think about this: the controversey over whether or not Gelinas intentionally kicked the puck in would probably have outdone the talk about the replay. It would have been on par wth the brew-haha over Brett Hull's Cup-winner in '99, and do we reallyl want to see the Cup decieded on such an objective call? Not me.
wil.
wil.
And 10 years from now there won't be a Tampa Bay Lightning. And you know what F-head? Nobody down there will care.
skyweasel, bang on brother.
How would you like to be Rhett Warrener? He was on the Sabres team too, lol. Even If the Hull goal had been disallowed, the Sabres would have had to score, then win Game 7 in Dallas. It doesn't compare to this fiasco.
Warrener comments on the Hull goal last fall...
And don't get the nine-year veteran started on Brett Hull's game- and series-winning goal in Game 6 of the '99 Stanley Cup won by the mighty Dallas Stars. Like those 'No Goal' bumper stickers still seen all around Buffalo, Hull's skate-in-the-crease still gets his goat -- big time.
"It's a joke," said Warrener, whose new team plays his former team tomorrow at the Saddledome (7 p.m.). "If someone honestly says that was an honest-to-God goal, then they're wrong. The way the league was played that year, it wasn't a goal.
"I'm not saying it wasn't a goal -- we don't dispute that. But the way the game was called that year, it wasn't a goal," continued Warrener, who watched the deciding game from the sidelines after breaking his ankle in a post-game fight with fellow defenceman Derian Hatcher.
"If your foot was in the crease -- any part of your body was in the crease -- it wasn't a goal. You call it that way all year. The only reason they didn't call it back is because they already had 500 people on the ice and they're handing (the Stanley Cup) out. If I think about it when I'm lying in bed, I don't fall asleep."
The following post-season proved just as restless for the Sabres.
They were knocked out early by the Philadelphia Flyers thanks in part to a phantom goal that went unreviewed by the league. John LeClair registered the tying goal in Game 2 of the first-round series when he beat Dominik Hasek with a shot through the mesh beside the near post -- just another setback in the Sabres' hard-luck history.
"Buffalo's been screwed a few times in the playoffs," Warrener said.
"They should be quite p---ed off, as I am. That's a hard-working community and they take a lot of pride in their sports teams, whether it's the Bills or the Sabres.
"You can deal with a loss when it's right ... but when the league makes a big excuse and a big story saying, 'Oh, it's a goal,' and basically lies.
"It's Game 6, we don't know if we're going to win the series but give us our due. We worked as hard as we did to get there," said Warrener, a 27-year-old Saskatoon native.
"In my mind, everybody on that team should have a Stanley Cup ring and their name on the cup.
"Who knows when you're going to get back there?"
http://www.slam.ca/Slam031017/nhl_cal1-sun.html
skyweasel, bang on brother.
How would you like to be Rhett Warrener? He was on the Sabres team too, lol. Even If the Hull goal had been disallowed, the Sabres would have had to score, then win Game 7 in Dallas. It doesn't compare to this fiasco.
Warrener comments on the Hull goal last fall...
And don't get the nine-year veteran started on Brett Hull's game- and series-winning goal in Game 6 of the '99 Stanley Cup won by the mighty Dallas Stars. Like those 'No Goal' bumper stickers still seen all around Buffalo, Hull's skate-in-the-crease still gets his goat -- big time.
"It's a joke," said Warrener, whose new team plays his former team tomorrow at the Saddledome (7 p.m.). "If someone honestly says that was an honest-to-God goal, then they're wrong. The way the league was played that year, it wasn't a goal.
"I'm not saying it wasn't a goal -- we don't dispute that. But the way the game was called that year, it wasn't a goal," continued Warrener, who watched the deciding game from the sidelines after breaking his ankle in a post-game fight with fellow defenceman Derian Hatcher.
"If your foot was in the crease -- any part of your body was in the crease -- it wasn't a goal. You call it that way all year. The only reason they didn't call it back is because they already had 500 people on the ice and they're handing (the Stanley Cup) out. If I think about it when I'm lying in bed, I don't fall asleep."
The following post-season proved just as restless for the Sabres.
They were knocked out early by the Philadelphia Flyers thanks in part to a phantom goal that went unreviewed by the league. John LeClair registered the tying goal in Game 2 of the first-round series when he beat Dominik Hasek with a shot through the mesh beside the near post -- just another setback in the Sabres' hard-luck history.
"Buffalo's been screwed a few times in the playoffs," Warrener said.
"They should be quite p---ed off, as I am. That's a hard-working community and they take a lot of pride in their sports teams, whether it's the Bills or the Sabres.
"You can deal with a loss when it's right ... but when the league makes a big excuse and a big story saying, 'Oh, it's a goal,' and basically lies.
"It's Game 6, we don't know if we're going to win the series but give us our due. We worked as hard as we did to get there," said Warrener, a 27-year-old Saskatoon native.
"In my mind, everybody on that team should have a Stanley Cup ring and their name on the cup.
"Who knows when you're going to get back there?"
http://www.slam.ca/Slam031017/nhl_cal1-sun.html
wilheim, there's no way Gelinas kicked it in. He didn't have time to react it was such a bang-bang play.
It has to be a direct kicking motion. Incredibly, you can redirect a shot and it will count as long as you don't kick it. Hawerchuk scored a beauty like that when he was with the Sabres against the Bruins several years ago. I think it was the year they swept the Bruins (Mayday! Mayday!) and Mogilny was making David Shaw his bitch all series long.
The rule is there for safety reasons (don't want players kicking around the net).
It has to be a direct kicking motion. Incredibly, you can redirect a shot and it will count as long as you don't kick it. Hawerchuk scored a beauty like that when he was with the Sabres against the Bruins several years ago. I think it was the year they swept the Bruins (Mayday! Mayday!) and Mogilny was making David Shaw his bitch all series long.
The rule is there for safety reasons (don't want players kicking around the net).
