Drunkguy has somewhat of a point. SIA will pay you though, and it is not THAT difficult to make a new name or 2, or 3, or 4, (especially with 120 frat brothers willing to signup if I flip them a 20..) 
So, if you have several SIA accounts (which I am not admitting to), you could have made some easy coin today.
So, if you have several SIA accounts (which I am not admitting to), you could have made some easy coin today.
Look no one has stated something very important here, something I have referred to many times before. Your time is precious and should come at a cost. I could be a scalper and make some money, but highly doubtful it would match what I make in my day job. I suspect for many on here that is also the case. There is many dollars out there to be made, but they must be shared and they disappear quick.
You know sometimes its funny what you read on here about people saying its a beautiful day outside, but they are on here or sweating out games. It may seem crazy, but that is the life you lead if you are out working small edges for a living. Be prepared to work your butt off for hours on end if this is something you ever decide to pursue. Be sure you love doing this for a profit and you don't have better options to pursue. For a few it might make sense, but I suspect for the mass majority it won't. In any case don't approach this as "can it be done?", but instead "should it be done?"
You know sometimes its funny what you read on here about people saying its a beautiful day outside, but they are on here or sweating out games. It may seem crazy, but that is the life you lead if you are out working small edges for a living. Be prepared to work your butt off for hours on end if this is something you ever decide to pursue. Be sure you love doing this for a profit and you don't have better options to pursue. For a few it might make sense, but I suspect for the mass majority it won't. In any case don't approach this as "can it be done?", but instead "should it be done?"
drunkguy said:scalping anything out at SIA is a major mistake
particularly when you are playing the other side at a rock solid book like Pinny
you have a massively good bet on the SIA line and you are throwing it away by betting into a negative expectation bet at Pinny.
All in the name of an 8 cent scalp
then to top it off you will get booted from SIA after winning too much, but 90% of those "winnings" went straight into Pinnacle's pocket leaving you with the scraps
use your heads people
Overall, certainly not bad advice.
Will say this, and realize it is a very small sample and an abnormality, but for the past two months SIA has kicked Pinnys butt on the scalps/middles that I have played between the two.
Woody0 said:
NOT a mistake takinjg those 2 positions prices were very depressed compare to the overall market or "fair value"
big mistake scalping them off into a "fair line" at one of the big shops
Fish is right, SIA has taken a lot of money on these scalps, that is due to 58% favorites covering this season and nothing else. Their lines are still wrong though
Risk is proportional to reward, scalping shit lines vs Pinny lines, you are transferring the risk to Pinny, and when they absorb that risk they are also absorbing some of your profits
Fish is old school, and this is just one piece of the pie. If you are in this business long enough many opportunities pop up. Although our personalities are a huge contrast, we have shared many gimme's throughout our careers. They come and go like styles. Probably one of our best was bank slots and video poker. Where Fish would take the no risk 1/2 shot, I would pay to double the odds of the shot. In generic terms, he is low risk, steady reward, I am high risk, huge rewards. That's where I do futures, in every sport.
Wild Bill does point out the bread of the matter, as one can not live on it alone, and have any kind of existance. If you do some scalping, some middling, some bonus collecting and some betting, the more rounded portfolio will diversify risk and flatten out the peaks and valleys. Not too much volatility. If you just scalp, you are shopping at Walmart. If you do it all, Nordstroms. One hindrance I see with SIA/Pinny scalps is that is only a one way street, as long as Pinny is paying. If it flips to SIA pays, and you are bangin them for limits, they will end the show faster than you can say recreational player. There is a lot of time invested grinding for that 1-5%, and a lot of people racing you to it. Sometimes you get that 20-1 hit, but more often than not, you are just getting the 1% Plus it is just not wide open like it was 5 years ago. You see the same old tired topics, How do you middle, how do you scalp? That is like asking, how do you count cards in a single deck? The game is not what it used to be. Also, if you excel at it, you are asked to leave. Constant winners are not welcome. It's not how you play the game but if you win or lose, you can choose, win or lose.
Best Wishes...OF
Wild Bill does point out the bread of the matter, as one can not live on it alone, and have any kind of existance. If you do some scalping, some middling, some bonus collecting and some betting, the more rounded portfolio will diversify risk and flatten out the peaks and valleys. Not too much volatility. If you just scalp, you are shopping at Walmart. If you do it all, Nordstroms. One hindrance I see with SIA/Pinny scalps is that is only a one way street, as long as Pinny is paying. If it flips to SIA pays, and you are bangin them for limits, they will end the show faster than you can say recreational player. There is a lot of time invested grinding for that 1-5%, and a lot of people racing you to it. Sometimes you get that 20-1 hit, but more often than not, you are just getting the 1% Plus it is just not wide open like it was 5 years ago. You see the same old tired topics, How do you middle, how do you scalp? That is like asking, how do you count cards in a single deck? The game is not what it used to be. Also, if you excel at it, you are asked to leave. Constant winners are not welcome. It's not how you play the game but if you win or lose, you can choose, win or lose.
Best Wishes...OF
Budworth22 said:Drunkguy has somewhat of a point. SIA will pay you though, and it is not THAT difficult to make a new name or 2, or 3, or 4, (especially with 120 frat brothers willing to signup if I flip them a 20..)
So, if you have several SIA accounts (which I am not admitting to), you could have made some easy coin today.
you may want to check some old threads here
SIA will give you the runaround, especially if they think you are circumventing their policies
you better have unique IPs for every account, different addresses, etc,etc
wait until you have 10k in SIA in a bogus account (only $500 of which is actual profit since you lost the rest on the other end of your scalps)
Then try sweating it out while they decide if they are going to pay you the 10k or not. It won't be fun.
there is some history with SIA, and there is always some risk at the shops you are finding the good end of these scalps at
just something to keep in mind
From what you said, if I only bet at the "weak" shop then I'd never bet at Pinnacle. If I never bet at Pinnacle then I wouldn't have the profits that I win there, alebit smaller than at the weak shops. I'd rather win more than less. Not to mention that it allows you to bet size to the max at the weak shop because of the number on the other side, which you might not otherwise do depending on bankroll.
drunkguy said:
Exactly, I call them "Good time shops". They are a good time until the tide turns against them and they get whacked heavy on those shaded lines. And the majority of other players there are doing the same thing. This magic formula of great riches only works as long as the solid shop is paying. I used to work the too good to be true lines at Royal. I was lucky to be paid after they went on a bad time run. This is a short term exercise, as soon as the bet365, Bodog, SIA, VIP or whomever decides it was fun collecting, but no fun paying, the show abruptly ends. And, part of that risk, is getting that earn out of there. That is a very big disclaimer.
Put a big * by that LITTLE risk.
Best Wishes...OF :cryingcry
