5 dimes did the switch on hommie

[trytrytry]

It is clear the guy was not active. They want you to check in often over the 30 day period and make some wagers, get to know them and use them. Just check in and make a wager or two is all that would need to be done. Pretty simple. That’s all it would have taken and his bonus would be his. Its an easy criteria to meet to stay active fore 30 days. And you can understand the books motive for that 30 days of activity, it means you are visiting and looking things over and maybe fallingin love with them as a supplier of a service. If you never go there and see what they have to offer and make some wagers they have little long term hope of you as a customer. This guy was not active. I’m sure he is a decent guy but he was not active for 30 days.


As long as they, 5dimes, pays the winning wagers whatever action they take in blackjack, sports, futures, props, parlays, casino games that is all that matters to most players.

As far as I know they continue to pay quickly (If I could ever win there I would let you know) and they don’t make stupid excuses to not pay you. They don’t delay your payments or cancel winning confirmed plays after the event, or throw out players who win a little and only play scalps, or call players cheaters, or call players syndicates and throw them out and keep the cash, and all that crap the bad books will do who are on the edge. Your money and bonus money if earned seem very safe there. Lets wait to condemn a well known book until some real issues are presented and not just a bonus payment issue that is very clear.

5Dimes is going good. 5 Dimes must stay in a top 10 list for sure right guys?

 

[Halifax]

trytrytry:

Maybe your best post to date.

 

[UncleButternutts]

2nd that.

Great post.

 

[SPIVE]

An inquiry into this matter has resulted in the following definitions:

Active, is to wager.

Extended period of time, equates to a period of seven consecutive days.

Inactive, is not to wager for an extended period of time.

Bonus Hunter, only desires bonus.


Apply them as you wish.

 

[UncleButternutts]

Makes sense to me..

 

[hamneggs]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jake Thompson:
If you don't follow the rules, you won't get paid. They have their rules, like it or not, and you signed up and agreed to follow them. The situation isn't fun but it's hard to say 5dimes is in the wrong for enforcing the rules that you agreed to.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The problem is that the rules are VAGUE and the sportsbook interprets them in a manner that is favorable (profitable) to them.

What does it mean to be "active"? If I play twice a week is that "active"? Suppose that I only play one day a week, but I make 20 plays? Suppose that I play two games EVERY day? Which one is "active"? It is not so obvious.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Closing an account after bonus funds are earned from blackjack play which only marginally exceed the required play for earning the bonus will result in an account being placed in the Unified Gaming negative database. Bonus-hunters are not welcome at 5Dimes Casino.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


What will be considered "marginal excess"? Is it $100 or is it $1000?? NO fuvking clue...nobody does. There is NO AGREEMENT here, this portion of the contract is VOID FOR VAGUENESS.

5 Dimes is OBVIOUSLY enticing "bonus hunters" by offering bonuses and having a special "Bouus Page" on their website.

5 DIMES- I quote your "Bonus Page" on your website:

"Bonus Page!
At 5 Dimes, We're Always Introducing
More Ways to Win!!"

You want gamblers to believe that they can "win bonuses" at 5 Dimes, yet you are not trying to attract "bonus chasers"?

Let me make something clear to you: Gamblers are not placing their bets with you as a gesture of loyalty or friendship. They are placing bets so that they can WIN MONEY. That is the name of the game...a BONUS IS MONEY, so it should not be surprising that gamblers want to WIN THAT BONUS. 5 Dimes, you sell that bonus like crazy don't you? A whole page on your webpage dedicated to bonuses..they come in all different shapes and sizes.

The bonus is another "way to win," right? It is not an incentive to try out 5 Dimes and create a long lasting, loving relationship, the bonus is another "way to win" in your OWN words. Damn, I caught you..let me repeat what your BONUS PAGE says:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Bonus Page!
At 5 Dimes, We're Always Introducing
More Ways to Win!!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

By your own admition, the bonus is a WAY TO WIN MONEY. In reality, it is also a way to entice gamblers to send you money that they will risk in a bet. Simply put, if you did not wish to attract people who like bonuses then you would not have offered bonuses, you would not have dedicated a special page of your website JUST to BONUSES. If you did not want gamblers to get excited about 5 Dimes BONUSES, then you would not hype them up so much. You sure as hell know how to downplay that BONUS when you get beat on it...and you got beaten in your rigged casino.

I would like to reiterate that your RULES are too vague and contradictory to have any force.

You have one rule which states:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> For example, to earn your bonus on a $100 deposit, simply wager $500 in the casino, sportsbook, lottery/keno, or a combination of all three as long as the total wagered amount equals $500. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then another rule states:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Closing an account after bonus funds are earned from blackjack play which only marginally exceed the required play for earning the bonus will result in an account being placed in the Unified Gaming negative database. Bonus-hunters are not welcome at 5Dimes Casino.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In other words, you require MORE than a 5x rollover. How much more? Well that we don't really know..so long as it is not in "marginal excess" of the 5x rollover. 5 Dimes can u please tell me what "marginal excess" means? You mean that I could hit the 5x rollover, but that still might not be enough? As long as I rollover my funds in some "SUBSTANTIAL EXCESS" of the 5x rollover, then I MIGHT be able to get the BONUS that you offered to ENTICE me to send CASH to your sportsbook.

 

[Banned4Life]

Hammy you hit the nail on the head. That's what pisses me off about this whole situation, even though I don't "bonus hunt". It's the scummy bait and switch tactics where sports books (again I don't single 5Dimes out because this seems to becoming an industry standard) will flat out LIE to players to entice them to send them their money. They have the money and the power to do whatever they want since there's no regulation. Then if you lose the bonus doesn't mean anything anyway (other than the hook to reel the sucker in) but if the player wins then the book says "up yours we ain't holding our end of the bargain and if you don't like it you can go fukk yourself". It's NOT the bonus money but the principle that a book would pull such a sleazy and dishonorable stunt just to grab another post up and then put themselves into a no-lose situation.

 

[assassin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Walk of Life:
_quiescent
2. Not ruffed with passion; unagitated; not in action; not excited; quiet; <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I love getting ruffed with passion.

 

[hamneggs]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Nicole: Yes, and please do us the favor of informing bet2gamble and your Israeli forums that you attempted a classic example of bonus hunting. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't have to "hunt" for the 5 Dimes Bonus Program. 5 DIMES BONUS PAGE

Nicole@5 DIMES you really downplay the bonus NOW that the player has WON money from 5 Dimes fair and square. The fact is that 5 Dimes USES the BONUS in order to ENTICE players to send their $$$ to 5 Dimes Sportsbook...you have the BONUS offers all over your website--you can NOT deny that this BONUS is a MARKETING tool for you.

When a gambler sends money to 5 DIMES to get a BONUS and the gambler LOSES, then that is exactly the scenario that you hope for and rely on. When a gambler sends money to 5 DIMES to get a BONUS and WINS, then you invoke your mysterious rules so that you can justify your STIFF move.

 

[hamneggs]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jateeluv:
I think Books that use bonuses are just waiting for conflict.

The initial deposit bonus is the maximum IMO that a casino/book should give. Any other additional funds that a casino does should be done through contests or the Comp point system.

Bonuses should only be used to attract new customers and should not be used to get customers to come back. If the player does not feel like coming back then let the person go, but by no means should the casino/sportbook call him out for leaving and especially with taking away any legit money won.

If a casino is relying on bonuses to get customers back then they are hurting in one way or the other.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Their signup BONUS is intended to entice NEW players to play with 5 Dimes. 5 DIMES USES THE BONUS AS A MARKETING TOOL....why else would they have a full page of their website dedicated to their LAUNDRY LIST of 5 DIMES BONUSES. The 5 DIMES BONUS is advertised on their website as another "way to win."

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Bonus Page!
At 5 Dimes, We're Always Introducing
More Ways to Win!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

5 DIMES entices gamblers to send their $$$ in by offering another "way to win," 5 DIMES sure makes the BONUS sound like a GOOD thing in their ADVERTISEMENT where they are inducing gamblers to send CA$H to Costa Rica. Of course, when the gambler WINS, then the BONUS (that is so GREAT when the gambler loses) becomes a peculiar source of evil.

So you see that 5 DIMES wears two hats.

The BONUS is a great thing when 5 DIMES is trying to get gamblers to send CA$H to Costa Rica:

From 5 Dimes Website:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Bonus Page!
At 5 Dimes, We're Always Introducing
More Ways to Win!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


WOW! 5 DIMES is offering a BONUS, but it is not just ANY bonus, it is one that 5 DIMES introduced so that gamblers would have "more ways to win."

Now does that sound like something that Nicole@5 Dimes would say? Caught, lol

AND it is SAD to have to say these things about 5 DIMES.

 

[Halifax]

Ham:

The bottom line is he bet for 6 hours to satisfy the rollover requirements, and then the money sat dormant for 29.75 days.

The "Active for 30 days" rule may suck, but IT IS THEIR RULE. Obviously, by any measuring stick, this account was not "Active" for 30 days.

By the way, I have been impressed with the way you've been getting in touch with your "inner bonus whore self" this past week or so

 

[SPIVE]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The bottom line is he bet for 6 hours to satisfy the rollover requirements, and then the money sat dormant for 29.75 days. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hali, your ignorance never seems to stop amazing us here...

Think about it...

A guy plays 6 continuous hours at rate of how many plays (hands of Blackjack) per minute?

If he only played ONE fricken hand a minute for 6 hours that would be 1 (hand) x 60 (minutes) x 6 (hours) = 360 plays, that is equivalent to 12 plays PER DAY in a 30 day period…and this is a conservative estimation.

I would think it should matter not whether a client plays 1 play per minute for 6 hours or 12 plays a day for 30 days...if that's what it takes to MET or EXCEED the roll-over requirement...what the fvck is the problem?

The problem is 5Dimes...

Just another shit Bookmaker from that criminally infested region of our globe called Costa Rica.

Bottom Line...no surprise.

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SPIVE:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The bottom line is he bet for 6 hours to satisfy the rollover requirements, and then the money sat dormant for 29.75 days. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hali, your ignorance never seems to stop amazing us here...

Think about it...

A guy plays 6 continuous hours at rate of how many plays (hands of Blackjack) per minute?

If he only played ONE fricken hand a minute for 6 hours that would be 1 (hand) x 60 (minutes) x 6 (hours) = 360 plays, that is equivalent to 12 plays PER DAY in a 30 day period…and this is a conservative estimation.

I would think it should matter not whether a client plays 1 play per minute for 6 hours or 12 plays a day for 30 days...if that's what it takes to MET or EXCEED the roll-over requirement...what the fvck is the problem?

The problem is 5Dimes...

Just another shit Bookmaker from that criminally infested region of our globe called Costa Rica.

Bottom Line...no surprise.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

He barely went over the required amount to acquire a bonus then just flat out stopped. Lets be real here, most people who play casino games can easily get addicted to playing them & someone who spent 6+ hours straight playing blackjack would not just go cold turkey for 29+ days then magically appear again just to request a payout.

If his intention is not as clear as day here then no one's intention will ever be clear in regards to anything.

 

[SPIVE]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> If his intention is not as clear as day here then no one's intention will ever be clear in regards to anything. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


And the intentions of the Bookmaker were any different?

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SPIVE:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> If his intention is not as clear as day here then no one's intention will ever be clear in regards to anything. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


_And the intentions of the Bookmaker were any different?_

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Big difference being their rules were stated on their webpage & if this person didn't like it they did NOT have to make a deposit there. They tried to pull a fast one, got busted, & are now crying about it. I feel no pity for them.

 

[SPIVE]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Big difference being their rules were stated on their webpage & if this person didn't like it they did NOT have to make a deposit there. They tried to pull a fast one, got busted, & are now crying about it. I feel no pity for them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


You're sadly missing the point...

Rules did NOT CLEARLY state what "active" nor "extended period" meant which would deactivate the account (only a 30 day period, which one could easily be assumed as active by merely leaving the account open for this period) therefore, rules could ONLY be followed to the point of exceeding the roll-over requirement, which was clear stated.

Now regardless of intentionally posting unclear, ambiguous rules which could not be adhered to...because they were unknown to the client. The bonus requirement was rightfully achieved based upon wagers which exceeded the (all important) roll-over requirement...which means, an individual risked an amount of capital for a period long enough for a bookmaker with a mathematical edge to win a portion if not all of what was risked, but didn't...now refusing to pay a token bonus while holding a client's money for 30 days?

This wouldn't be an issue if all the capital risked was lost in 6 hours, now would it?

The Bookmaker is the one pathetically crying here, while paying more in bad PR then what a client's token bonus would cost.

[This message was edited by SPIVE on May 20, 2003 at 04:30 AM.]

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SPIVE:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Big difference being their rules were stated on their webpage & if this person didn't like it they did NOT have to make a deposit there. They tried to pull a fast one, got busted, & are now crying about it. I feel no pity for them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


You're sadly missing the point...

Rules did NOT CLEARLY state what "active" nor "extended period" meant which would deactivate the account (only a 30 day period, which one could easily be assumed as active by merely leaving the account open for this period) therefore, rules could ONLY be followed to the point of exceeding the roll-over requirement, which was clear stated.

Now regardless of intentionally posting unclear, ambiguous rules which could not be adhered to...because they were unknown to the client. The bonus requirement was rightfully achieved based upon wagers which exceeded the (all important) roll-over requirement...which means, an individual risked an amount of capital for a period long enough for a bookmaker with a mathematical edge to win a portion if not all of what was risked, but didn't...now refusing to pay a token bonus while holding a client's money for 30 days?

This wouldn't be an issue if all the capital risked was lost in 6 hours, now would it?

The Bookmaker is the one pathetically crying here, while paying more in bad PR then what a client's token bonus would cost.

[This message was edited by SPIVE on May 20, 2003 at 04:30 AM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, you are missing the point. Only a BONUS WHORE would play dumb as to what active is. If someone bets a bunch just to meet a rollover requirement & then stops cold turkey is trying to exploit the generosity of a book & deserves not to get it.

Are you a bonus whore by any chance?

 

[SPIVE]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Are you a bonus whore by any chance? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Not wanting to "play dumb" as you call it...


Define "bonus whore," and while you're at it, define "active" as stated or implied by 5Dimes rules.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> If someone bets a bunch just to meet a rollover requirement & then stops cold turkey is trying to exploit the generosity of a book & deserves not to get it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

BTW, would merely losing to this BM make things okay with you?

And while your at it, define "exploit" and "generosity" as it applies to your "turkey" statement.

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SPIVE:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Are you a bonus whore by any chance? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Not wanting to "play dumb" as you call it...


Define "bonus whore," and while you're at it, define "active" as stated or implied by 5Dimes rules.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> If someone bets a bunch just to meet a rollover requirement & then stops cold turkey is trying to exploit the generosity of a book & deserves not to get it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

BTW, would merely losing to this BM make things okay with you?

And while your at it, define "exploit" and "generosity" as it applies to your "turkey" statement.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you for answering my question. Your www.dictionary.com shill type answer just proves my point as to how you don't get it.

 

[SPIVE]

Your reply proves mine,

G'nite.