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My thoughts early are DO NOT and I repeat DO NOT underestimate the quality of the Santa Anita Derby prep. The top three finishers have to be respected in the Derby because the quality of the field was the best of any a derby prep by far. California Chrome, Hopportunity, and Candy Boy all could be there at the finish. Hopportunity and Candy Boy are both on the improve and as far as Candy Boy is concerned he needed that race and is definitely eligible to improve...

To JoeyP my feeling is Vicars in Trouble is a horse that can be thrown out....he is a presser, SMALL in STATURE(a major problem going a mile and a quarter in a 20 horse field)that will not be able to last pressing vs the likes of Chrome and Samraat. They both will bury him and compromise his chances. His prep win had nothing in it

Again DO NOT disrespect those Santa Anita Derby horses, you may regret it

Yours in Winners
BernieV

LOL wouldn't an interesting Oaks/Derby double be Untapable and Tapiture???
 

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Regardless of post position ... Medal Count ..winner .. then I have .. a horse not one person is talking about and I like that fact !!! Uncle Sigh !! then 3rd Calf Chrome or Wicked Strong .. if I was picking a super .. General A Rod , ROC and Com Curve in the 4th spot ..

Does anyone really like Uncle Sigh ??? Just a big hunch !!! (
 

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I will try, or I'm sure one of the good fellows in this thread will , to post a place to download the Derby PP's either tonight or tomorrow.

that's my finale to your great thread 11..... Thank you very much for your time, sure saved alot of time for me (
 

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Great job guys, Will there be any .10 cent superfecta betting? If not , what will the minimum be. I enjoy reading everyone's views and comments.

*Everyone is entitled to their opinion, But your not entitled to your on facts.*
 
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Great job guys, Will there be any .10 cent superfecta betting? If not , what will the minimum be. I enjoy reading everyone's views and comments.

*Everyone is entitled to their opinion, But your not entitled to your on facts.*
superfectas are $1 minimum on both oaks and derby day
 
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Other wager minimums...

DD and Super high 5...$1
tris, pick 3,pick 4, pick 5...50 cents
pick 6.. $2
exacta..$2 straight, $1 box or wheel
 

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140TH KENTUCKY DERBY
PP HORSE TRAINER JOCKEY ODDS
1 Vicar's In Trouble Mike Maker Rosie Napravnik 30-1
2 Harry's Holiday Mike Maker Corey Lanerie 50-1
3 Uncle Sigh Gary Contessa Irad Ortiz Jr. 30-1
4 Danza Todd Pletcher Joe Bravo 10-1
5 California Chrome Art Sherman Victor Espinoza 5-2
6 Samraat Rick Violette Jr. Jose Ortiz 15-1
7 We Miss Artie Todd Pletcher Javier Castellano 50-1
8 General a Rod Mike Maker Joel Rosario 15-1
9 Vinceremos Todd Pletcher Joe Rocco Jr. 30-1
10 Wildcat Red Jose Garoffalo Luis Saez 15-1
11 Hoppertunity Bob Baffert Mike Smith 6-1
12 Dance With Fate Peter Eurton Corey Nakatani 20-1
13 Chitu Bob Baffert Martin Garcia 20-1
14 Medal Count Dale Romans Robby Albarado 20-1
15 Tapiture Steve Asmussen Ricardo Santana Jr. 15-1
16 Intense Holiday Todd Pletcher John Velazquez 12-1
17 Commanding Curve Dallas Stewart Shaun Bridgmohan 50-1
18 Candy Boy John Sadler Gary Stevens 20-1
19 Ride On Curlin Bill Gowan Calvin Borel 15-1
20 Wicked Strong James Jerkens Rajiv Maragh 8-1
Also-Eligible
Pablo del Monte Wesley Ward 50-1
 
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@):) Well, only a few days to go.............................................here are the final standings and how they rank after I crunched all of my numbers that I consider.................



3.0..........................California Chrome
2.7..........................Hoppertunity
2.6..........................Wicked Strong
2.6..........................Wildcat Red
2.6..........................Chitu
2.5..........................Samraat
2.3..........................General A Rod
2.2..........................Intense Holiday
2.2..........................Vicar’s In Trouble
2.1..........................Tapiture
2.1...........................Candy Boy
2.1...........................Danza
2.0...........................Uncle Sigh
1.9...........................Commanding Curve
1.9...........................Dance With Fate
1.7............................Ride On Curlin
1.6............................Medal Count
1.2............................Vinceremos
1.0............................We Miss Artie
1.0............................Harry’s Holiday


Be well all.....
 
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@):) And here are the horses listed in post position order......................with a few comments....


1.) Vicar’s In Trouble
----- the Rosie effect, but definitely do not this horse in the 1 post
----- think Rosie has to have a torrid first 1/4 to try and get him out fast , which will be his downfall and as much as I would like to see him wearing the roses ( Roses for Rosie magazine covers everywhere ), think he will be in trouble turning for home

2.) Harry’s Holiday
----- only thing I like about him is he has done well at Churchill.................that is the only thing
----- think he may be 80-1 come Saturday, so I guess he will be a toss

3.) Uncle Sigh
----- just not getting a good feeling about him either, could he be the surprise longshot to hit the board
----- I believe you should throw out his poor performance in the Wood
----- think he will be out fast with the pace bunch

4.) Danza
----- looks like his pedigree is one of sprinter speed over miler stamina
----- just do not know what I want to do with this one yet

5.) California Chrome ( will definitely include in my exotics )
------ he sits atop my list of rankings, so I have to include him in my wagers
------ Danza on one side and Samraat on the other............will he be squeezed in at the start ?
------ I just have a tough time seeing him run his race here, and think he will not have the charge left when asked, but crazy not to include him on some exotic tickets

6.) Samraat
----- think his pedigree and running style indicate that 10f is too much though his beyers have improved
----- has done all of his racing in NY
------ have begun to like him again after watching and re-watching and re-watching the prep videos, tough fighter

7.) We Miss Artie
----- don’t think he should be considered as a threat at all, one of my tosses

8.) General A Rod
----- always appears to be there contesting the lead, and if he does this in the Derby, will be his downfall, so he has to sit
----- will he and Wildcat Red be setting the pace for this monster
----- has not won a graded stakes race

9.) Vinceremos
----- this is one of Pletcher’s second stringers, so should be worth a look
----- one disastrous race, but other races did well
----- another toss for me

10.) Wildcat Red
----- fought along with General A Rod through the Florida preps, where the surface was kind to his style
----- will be fighting for the lead from the start , and will he be able to hold on
----- do like how he fought back after being passed in the stretch of the Fla Derby though

11.) Hoppertunity ( one of my top choices )
----- has improving speed figures, could finish in the money as he has improved in each of his races
----- is the only horse in this field which will not be physically 3 years old until after the Derby ( DOB 5/7/2011 )

12.) Dance With Fate
---- one of the Blue Grass horses, who can sit of the pace and make that strong late move
----- his beyer numbers have improved, but needs to get triple digits to win this race

13.) Chitu
----- his speed figuresbeyers have improved , could hit the board
----- has to come off the pace instead of pressing though

14.) Medal Count ( will definitely include in my exotics )
----- has the pedigree and running style to be competitive in the Derby and if he trains well and likes the surface ( which I believe he does ), will be running down the stretch passing some tired horses

15.) Tapiture
----- think his pedigree will not let him get this distance, but he has finished in the money in all 3 starts at Churchill
----- could have topped out in Arkansas

16.) Intense Holiday ( one of my top choices )
----- if his jockey could settle him in the back of the pack , think he has a great chance to hit the board, and maybe pull off the upset
----- the ‘hot’ derby pace ( think something similar to last year ) will suit him fine
-----been working great at Churchill
----- highest Late Pace number of this bunch

17.) Commanding Curve ( will definitely include in my exotics )
----- he is an improving colt that may hit the board like his stablemate Golden Soul did last year
----- seems to be getting better, and his beyers are improving
----- could be running at the end, when the others are coming back to the pack

18.) Candy Boy ( will definitely include in my exotics )
----- needs to set off the pace and not try to run with the early speed as he did in the S A Derby
----- think G Stevens will have this horse in a great position to run at the leaders down the long stretch
----- he looks better and better each day and his works have been super, could be the upset winner

19.) Ride On Curlin
----- of course, the Borel factor ( and has tested the Churchill strip )
----- how will Borel get to the rail though............will he just lean in and go to the back of the pack, or will he try to weave thru to the first turn ?

20.) Wicked Strong ( one of my top choices but ? )
----- has the pedigree and running style that sets up perfectly and think he will flourish down the stretch, has a great late kick
----- his trainer did say he was a very tired horse after the Wood though
----- I am worried about this 20 post, as he sometimes gets unsettled and distracted easy, and will have some crowd issues........


Will be posting my friends and I 'monopoly wagers' and tickets on Friday.......................be well all..............
 

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Why does everyone like Danza? I know he won the Ark Derby which is a Grade 1 but is Eclipse really ready to compete in the Kentucky Derby? Don't know the stable's complete history but I know they had Silsita in the Oaks last year and she came in last. The Derby has a lot more distractions surrounding it than the Ark Derby does. I am leaving Danza out of my bets. Same with Commanding Curve as I don't think West Point is ready for the big time as well.
 
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:ohno: Hoppertunity has been scratched.......................Pablo is now in................

I believe Pablo will be in the # 20 hole now, so some of the posts will be changed......................
 
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Anyone have a link to drf pp's?

Thanks

See the post right before yours, Imisremember has posted a link...................................THANKS Imis...........
 

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