Youngstown Connection

[sdf]

man that sucks, they hit over 70% on plays that "we'' missed out on.

talk about bad luck. 33% posted 70% on the plays never posted.

I guess I am wrong, the site that sells the plays, would never give out fake info. or post plays that pad their record after the fact right?

It is the internet, where everything you read has to be true.

hno:

i never claimed YTown's numbers were correct.

I asked that you verify that the plays you know and tracked (that went 9-20 or 11-20) about matched the information that YTown gives above.
I would expect it to be an easy thing to do since you already tracked plays for that time. it would just be a matter of matching up what you have with what they show.

does it jive?

 

[ArizonaBound]

almost ALL services post winners that never existed to pad their record. The only ones that don't are the ones that are so big/popular that they can't. A newer service like Youngstown or one like Jefferson sports will claim wins on days when nobody bought them.
There is a whole network of scam sites dedicated to doing exactly this.....it is a huge scam and to this day I still don't understand how it can happen and not be put out of business.
Go to handicappingpolice.cum and that whole site claims to monitor the "reputable" services and exposes the scammers. It is all a scam to market their scam sites as reputable ones.
It is so fictitious that they have a whole world of made up names and cappers, etc.
All of the big sites that they tout are all scams......Eddie Hawk, ATS experts, Puss Williamson, ROI, MBG, Precision Picks, etc...
ALL 100% SCAM OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE SAME FOLKS THAT RUN HANDICAPPINGPOLICE. If anyone thinks for one minute that the same BS isn't going on with Youngstown or any other site that doesn't have a legit past and a REGULAR following than you are really naive. I can go on and on about many others but I will leave it at that. JUST KEEP ONE THING IN MIND....IT IS AN UNREGULATED INDUSTRY....don't think for one minute that a majority are in it for nothing more than your money and will do ANYTHING to get it. Ask all those billionaires about how they were scammed for years. YOU are no exception...stay away.

 

[cut-paste-hero]

almost ALL services post winners that never existed to pad their record. The only ones that don't are the ones that are so big/popular that they can't. A newer service like Youngstown or one like Jefferson sports will claim wins on days when nobody bought them.
There is a whole network of scam sites dedicated to doing exactly this.....it is a huge scam and to this day I still don't understand how it can happen and not be put out of business.
Go to handicappingpolice.cum and that whole site claims to monitor the "reputable" services and exposes the scammers. It is all a scam to market their scam sites as reputable ones.
It is so fictitious that they have a whole world of made up names and cappers, etc.
All of the big sites that they tout are all scams......Eddie Hawk, ATS experts, Puss Williamson, ROI, MBG, Precision Picks, etc...
ALL 100% SCAM OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE SAME FOLKS THAT RUN HANDICAPPINGPOLICE. If anyone thinks for one minute that the same BS isn't going on with Youngstown or any other site that doesn't have a legit past and a REGULAR following than you are really naive. I can go on and on about many others but I will leave it at that. JUST KEEP ONE THING IN MIND....IT IS AN UNREGULATED INDUSTRY....don't think for one minute that a majority are in it for nothing more than your money and will do ANYTHING to get it. Ask all those billionaires about how they were scammed for years. YOU are no exception...stay away.

AB, almost always get a sharp post from you. thanks

 

[cut-paste-hero]

i never claimed YTown's numbers were correct.

I asked that you verify that the plays you know and tracked (that went 9-20 or 11-20) about matched the information that YTown gives above.
I would expect it to be an easy thing to do since you already tracked plays for that time. it would just be a matter of matching up what you have with what they show.

does it jive?

Sorry man, I went over it day by day with a notepad and threw it away. I would image every play that got posted here was probably recorded properly there. It is work for them to do all that, but I think I am pretty much on the same page with AZ bound.

 

[BigNauty]

Although, Cut and Paste Hero gets a lot of shit from peepz, it's guys like him that makes us more aware about the sleazyness of the business. Not everything is nice and dandy, and with CNPH and others like him that bring up these scam artists to let the community be aware, the better we'll be. You don't have to like him at all, but just know he's trying to help us to expose the frauds and fakes out there. Keep up the good work CNPH.

 

[JackLord]

RIGHT ON HERO! :toast:


KEEP US UPDATED IF (when) YOU FIND ANYMORE SCAMMERS.


THANKS FOR THE INFO.

 

[PeterGriffin]

i never claimed YTown's numbers were correct.

I asked that you verify that the plays you know and tracked (that went 9-20 or 11-20) about matched the information that YTown gives above.
I would expect it to be an easy thing to do since you already tracked plays for that time. it would just be a matter of matching up what you have with what they show.

does it jive?

This won't happen because it would most likely shoot his 'Youngstown Connection are scammers' theory to shit.

I find it funny that most people here are either too dumb, or too naive, to think for themselves, and they actually believe the drivel this guy is spoon-feeding them. Yeah, what a savior he is. He posts roughly 10% of a service's plays and everyone jumps on his nuts like he has 'found the truth.' Absolutely hilarious.

Like I said before, and like SDF is now asking, why doesn't anyone want to step up and monitor their posted plays from November to December 17th? I mean, if these guys are so crooked, it will be a horrible record again, right?

Take your time thinking of a good excuse. The last one was pretty weak...

 

[PeterGriffin]

sorry, I agree with cutpaste and the 33%. at best they may crack 40%

Of course you do, because you have no idea what you're talking about. See, I can play this game too...

RAS went 0-4 on his totals last night. CLEARLY a scam artist.
Dr. Bob went something like 3-8 on his college bowl games this year. ANOTHER scam artist.

This is pretty easy! Whenever a service has a good overall record, but hits a rough patch, they are automatically liars! No need to do any research at all!

 

[utfan1901]

This won't happen because it would most likely shoot his 'Youngstown Connection are scammers' theory to shit.

I find it funny that most people here are either too dumb, or too naive, to think for themselves, and they actually believe the drivel this guy is spoon-feeding them. Yeah, what a savior he is. He posts roughly 10% of a service's plays and everyone jumps on his nuts like he has 'found the truth.' Absolutely hilarious.

Like I said before, and like SDF is now asking, why doesn't anyone want to step up and monitor their posted plays from November to December 17th? I mean, if these guys are so crooked, it will be a horrible record again, right?

Take your time thinking of a good excuse. The last one was pretty weak...

From all of your posts I guess your the only one that knows what he's talking about!

I got an idea, why don't you do the work from Nov to Dec tough guy. cutpaste did his work now it's your turn to do yours. if not shut up and go play youngstown games and go broke!

 

[utfan1901]

Of course you do, because you have no idea what you're talking about. See, I can play this game too...

RAS went 0-4 on his totals last night. CLEARLY a scam artist.
Dr. Bob went something like 3-8 on his college bowl games this year. ANOTHER scam artist.

This is pretty easy! Whenever a service has a good overall record, but hits a rough patch, they are automatically liars! No need to do any research at all!

you really should stop while your ahead- give him a shovel cutpaste, what a statement. The guy gives you the record for a month and you want him to go back further. I didn't see a post that claimed anyone 0-4 as scammers, but I did see a post that had your youngstown at 33% for a month. keep them pal I hope you win a lot of money with them.

but do us all a favor keep them to yourself and don't cost the good members of this forum money with that so called service.

 

[PeterGriffin]

From all of your posts I guess your the only one that knows what he's talking about!

I got an idea, why don't you do the work from Nov to Dec tough guy. cutpaste did his work now it's your turn to do yours. if not shut up and go play youngstown games and go broke!

I'm probably the one who has purchased and played their picks the most, so yeah, I know this topic more than most of the people on here. I bet the majority of you probably haven't even heard of these guys, yet you're ready to call them scammers because of a minute sample size of their games.

And why should I be the one to track all their plays? I'm not the one accusing them of being frauds. It's up to the person making the accusation to prove their point, and 10 or 11% of their plays doesn't make the point. Why not track ALL of their posted plays if you're trying to convince people they're phonies? Wouldn't that help state your case even in more?

But hey, be a blind a sheep and follow all you want. It suits you.

 

[PeterGriffin]

One other thing to mention as far as posting fake plays to pad their stats, Youngstown posts their plays shortly after the game has gone off. If they were trying to pad their record, why wouldn't they just wait until games were over and then post winning plays? Last night they had ASU -2' posted in the 1h when they were down by 3.

And I find it hard to believe that they would have games in which nobody, not one person, bought the play. They are mentioned on this site, and numerous other handicapping sites as well. I really think it would be harder for them to rig their record than the rest of you.

How many people on here have even gone to their Web site? I assume you all know the Web site since you're such experts on this scandalous outfit.

 

[cut-paste-hero]

Does it suprise you that they are mentioned on more than 1 site?

You don't think the sales force goes to every site? Or do "they" just try to get paid from Rxers?

I am sure they are posted at the units forum. Ooops I guess he failed to mention he has his own forum, and that one of his 'ghost' names has been here to promote.

So the same guy that has his own forum, that ghosts here to promote it, couldn't possibly have a site where he sells his picks?

Peter you are 1 of 2 things.

#1 Upset you got scammed

#2 In on the scamming

 

[PeterGriffin]

Does it suprise you that they are mentioned on more than 1 site?

You don't think the sales force goes to every site? Or do "they" just try to get paid from Rxers?

I am sure they are posted at the units forum. Ooops I guess he failed to mention he has his own forum, and that one of his 'ghost' names has been here to promote.

So the same guy that has his own forum, that ghosts here to promote it, couldn't possibly have a site where he sells his picks?

Peter you are 1 of 2 things.

#1 Upset you got scammed

#2 In on the scamming

I know you will find this hard to believe, but I didn't lose money playing Youngstown picks. In fact, when I first started purchasing picks they were doing VERY well. Did they cool off? Absolutely. But I am still up since the time I started buying picks. Like I said before, I have the receipt of every game I've purchased from them, as well as the refund receipts on the losers. I can add up the winners and losers and let everyone know the record. I honestly don't know what it is. I'm not trying to claim it's outstanding, but like I said, I know I'm up.

I don't follow them for basketball because, IMO, they play way too many road faves, and they also lay HUGE chalk quite often. Two things I don't do.

I have pissed a lot of people off with my remarks about Kelso on this site, because I think he is as shady as they come. So believe it or not, I understand and agree with you researching services. Not enough people do their homework when it comes to touts. I'm just trying to share my experience with Youngstown is all.

 

[cut-paste-hero]

Last 60 days

47-51 48%

Many of the lines were not what they posted, all was to their benefit.

They claimed to never give GOY's or any bs like that, yet they did have goy's.

Also on many occasions you were told to buy hooks, I know many services tell you to do that, just makes it hard to fiigure -110 betting.

Approx

$100 game bettors @ -110 betting = -$910

47 (winners) @ $25 is $1175

60 days posted here. -1175 (or more some plays were more than $25) and -910 for the 48%

total losses of

$2,085

also:

47 ope:

and many

arty:

also:

many thanks from: the unit when you bought his service

out for the night

:drink:

 

[NES]

Where do I sign up for these picks?

 

[PeterGriffin]

Last 60 days

47-51 48%

Many of the lines were not what they posted, all was to their benefit.

They claimed to never give GOY's or any bs like that, yet they did have goy's.

Also on many occasions you were told to buy hooks, I know many services tell you to do that, just makes it hard to fiigure -110 betting.

Approx

$100 game bettors @ -110 betting = -$910

47 (winners) @ $25 is $1175

60 days posted here. -1175 (or more some plays were more than $25) and -910 for the 48%

total losses of

$2,085

also:

47 ope:

and many

arty:

also:

many thanks from: the unit when you bought his service

out for the night

:drink:

:lolBIG: Yeah, I guess saying:

Last 60 days: 47-51 48% sounds better if you're trying to "call them out" than:

36-29 55% from November to December 17th

Tell ya what, tomorrow I'll go back and count the record on all the plays I've purchased from them. And unlike you I won't spin the numbers to support my side, I'll just give the record.

 

[cut-paste-hero]

Guess you can't make everyone happy.

Do what you want.

30 days wasn't fair. So I gave you 60.

Still aren't happy.

So giving a record of the plays that you bought gives a better gauge than what was posted? That logic makes complete sense.

Scam on brother, it is your world, sell all you can.
Just don't let facts get in your way.

Thank you for your purchase.

The information you paid for is below:
Youngstown Connection
Date: Monday, December 1, 2008
$25.00 Guaranteed Selection:
MNF Play
Houston -3 8:35 PM EST

To clarify some recent bets and buying the 1/2 point scenario. When you are playing games with 3.5 lines it is always good to buy the insurance and get the 1/2 point. You are protecting yourself against the dreaded 3 point win scenario. For example yesterday we released TB at -4 however the line drifted down to 3.5 near game time. If we held off and posted the selection late we would've said buy the 1/2 and lay 3 and got a push rather than the loss. We will always grade our selections on the line we give as it is readily available or possible to buy the 1/2 point if stated to do so. Thank you for business and keep in mind the time spent goes into the handicapping not the bull crap marketing, fancy names and the locks of my life or the lock of my reputation # 276.

Good luck tonight and continued success.

Greatest quote ever. One of the very few services who actually has a sliver of integrity, and that's why I like them.

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hno:


UNLV -6 MWC GOY
UCONN -9 Big EAST GOW
Va Tech +120 ML Bowl Play Game of the Year
Oklahoma +5.5 Bowl Super Play #10

GOY, GOW, Bowl Game of the Year, and Super play #10 sounds like bull crap marketing and fancy names.

You know my agenda, show what BS this "service" is. Would you care to explain why you are defending them?

 

[sdf]

my experience with YT

started out hot in football 2008. very hot. NFL and CFB were doing well.

tailed off in Nov/Dec. understandable as lines get tighter.
tried CBB with them but wasnt doing much.

i quit following.

one time i bought a cbb play but the team i was told to play on didnt play that day (that game was the day before). I emailed.
Got a reply soon after that it was a website error and got the real play. Unfortunately that game had already tipped off. So YT refunded my money and gave me the #3 cbb play of that day for free.

so i see a service that was good but really cooled off. and now is barely a 50% service in my view. customer service was good. i didnt get yanked around like i could have.

it's not a service i would buy again (at least not until beginning of football 2009) nor one i would recommend at this time. but I'm not sure i would call them scammers either. just part of the big lump of touts out there.

I will say that any service that puts a record on the website and the plays it picked is a step above some of the others that dont have a record nor a history of plays. but that's not a recommendation of buying their plays or anything.

there are better/worse touts out there

 

[cut-paste-hero]

Very fair SDF

Sorry I missed on the tone of your eariler post. That is part of the problem with the internet, it can be difficult to see the tone of posts or intent of them.

Very sharp and informative info in your post.

I guess this entire thread was out of The Unit, posting plays after the games ended, bragging up plays never posted and claiming a great record.

He wanted me to start a thread, so I did, and his people came running to his defense.

I have misread you more than once SDF and for that I apologize. And will work on my people skills with people that deserve it.

:toast:

I will not however bend to the BS that the salesmen/posters here try, like posting after games end, and touting their great services, to try to get money from people actually trying to help.