Anyone worried about the lines used just take that into consideration when you evaluate the handicapper. The Tracker Forum needs posters to use some sense when deciding whether or not to follow a poster or not. Ace Ace is playing agaisnt Pinnacle lines which are available to the entire world exept those posters living in the land of the free.
Seeing how we are in the Rubber Room, I will disclose a little secret, a lot of US residents still play at Pinnacle, they just do not post up, try to get my drift.
wil.
Seeing how we are in the Rubber Room, I will disclose a little secret, a lot of US residents still play at Pinnacle, they just do not post up, try to get my drift.
wil.
Wilhelm,
I've watched occasionally, with little interest, as time and time again you have played mother protector to ace, even being accused by some of your own regular posters of bending or changing forum guidelines to accomodate him and his 'style.'
But . . .
He does cry for attention, begging for poster replies and support, worse than any child I have ever seen.
He does slant things his way with numbers and math, and when called on it says "my mistake" but the mistakes always, conveniently, happen to be in his favor.
He did pull the lamest cover up attempt I've ever seen with "Hey, with my bonuses I'm really only down $X !" Next it will be "hey, I funded all my accounts with my credit cards, and when you factor sports book bonuses AND credit card reward points I'm actually UP $1.99 on the season!"
He did plagiarize a writeup from the Gold sheet.
HE STOLE SOMEONE ELSES WORK AND POSTED IT AS HIS OWN.
Despite all his lame excuses, despite all of the whitewashing done for him here, and all the supporters and ghosts proclaiming him a classy guy, this makes him nothing more than a common thief. And that is not debatable.
And, finally . . . he did hurt a lot of YOUR posters.
Once he was brought to my attention I faded him and did well, having seen his type enough through the years to recognize him for what he is.
But he hurt a lot of YOUR players.
The 'net is full of guys who had a winning year or two. And stretched it into "5 years" or "10 years" of undocumented rumor. And thus, into 'sales.'
And it is full of supporters and ghosts, who will say, "yeah, but he's winning in other sports, like basketball right now," while conveniently failing to mention the other sports he got killed in - not LOST, but got KILLED in - like college football.
When one championship weekend halftime wager win prevents you from having a day in which you DOUBLE your entire season's losses, and substantial losses at that, you are a friggin amateur, reduced to chasing to try and regain some semblance of credibility - credibility easily dismissed when you claim to not be chasing, and use creative accounting to try and make your point.
An amateur, and a common thief.
Put together all the pretty words you want, but those are facts.
And many of your posters and customers suffered because of it.
Treat a customer with respect, and you have a customer for life.
Treat him like a fool, and lose him forever.
I've watched occasionally, with little interest, as time and time again you have played mother protector to ace, even being accused by some of your own regular posters of bending or changing forum guidelines to accomodate him and his 'style.'
But . . .
He does cry for attention, begging for poster replies and support, worse than any child I have ever seen.
He does slant things his way with numbers and math, and when called on it says "my mistake" but the mistakes always, conveniently, happen to be in his favor.
He did pull the lamest cover up attempt I've ever seen with "Hey, with my bonuses I'm really only down $X !" Next it will be "hey, I funded all my accounts with my credit cards, and when you factor sports book bonuses AND credit card reward points I'm actually UP $1.99 on the season!"
He did plagiarize a writeup from the Gold sheet.
HE STOLE SOMEONE ELSES WORK AND POSTED IT AS HIS OWN.
Despite all his lame excuses, despite all of the whitewashing done for him here, and all the supporters and ghosts proclaiming him a classy guy, this makes him nothing more than a common thief. And that is not debatable.
And, finally . . . he did hurt a lot of YOUR posters.
Once he was brought to my attention I faded him and did well, having seen his type enough through the years to recognize him for what he is.
But he hurt a lot of YOUR players.
The 'net is full of guys who had a winning year or two. And stretched it into "5 years" or "10 years" of undocumented rumor. And thus, into 'sales.'
And it is full of supporters and ghosts, who will say, "yeah, but he's winning in other sports, like basketball right now," while conveniently failing to mention the other sports he got killed in - not LOST, but got KILLED in - like college football.
When one championship weekend halftime wager win prevents you from having a day in which you DOUBLE your entire season's losses, and substantial losses at that, you are a friggin amateur, reduced to chasing to try and regain some semblance of credibility - credibility easily dismissed when you claim to not be chasing, and use creative accounting to try and make your point.
An amateur, and a common thief.
Put together all the pretty words you want, but those are facts.
And many of your posters and customers suffered because of it.
Treat a customer with respect, and you have a customer for life.
Treat him like a fool, and lose him forever.
For all the good and bad, Ace Ace is one of the biggest reason Rx is as big as it is right now. To be honest, I never heard of the Rx until all the bellyho about this exbookie that is killing the NBA and NFL with his mathematically reasonable system.
But like others, I have never really taken his success too seriously. Anyone can have a good season or two, heck I betted the dogs blindly a few days ago and went 9-1 in the NBA. And his recent actions like counting bonuses toward your bottom line is abit absurd. With that said, I'm grateful to Ace for bring me to this wonderful forum full of bitch ass horny degenerates.
But like others, I have never really taken his success too seriously. Anyone can have a good season or two, heck I betted the dogs blindly a few days ago and went 9-1 in the NBA. And his recent actions like counting bonuses toward your bottom line is abit absurd. With that said, I'm grateful to Ace for bring me to this wonderful forum full of bitch ass horny degenerates.
Sonny Palermo
Fine, thats your perrogative to watch or whatever, but no rules or guidlines were changed. The accusations of allowing him to continue to post in the Sport Forums after he went to work for Doc's have been expalined several times in different threads and the touts that made the accusations that I changed the rules for Ace Ace had the same opportunity to do what Ace Ace did and chose not to.
This thread is about him still using Pinnacle lines in his Tracker Forum threads. Why anyone would even care is beyond me but they do, so I did my best to explain that some people actully still play at Pinnacle.
I have no control over how Ace Ace or any other handicapper uses things like money management, half time plays, or chasing late in the season. I just try to keep the bashers out of ALL handicappers threads, not just Ace Ace.
I am not going to get into any prolonged exchange about what Ace Ace did or didn't do because it has all been said here and at several other sites. The bottom line as usual is win and it doesn't matter what you do, lose and you are a thief, amateur, and everything else under the sun. Nothing new.
My job is to try to keep the peace in the sport forums, not censor handicappers picks or methods.
wilheim.
Fine, thats your perrogative to watch or whatever, but no rules or guidlines were changed. The accusations of allowing him to continue to post in the Sport Forums after he went to work for Doc's have been expalined several times in different threads and the touts that made the accusations that I changed the rules for Ace Ace had the same opportunity to do what Ace Ace did and chose not to.
This thread is about him still using Pinnacle lines in his Tracker Forum threads. Why anyone would even care is beyond me but they do, so I did my best to explain that some people actully still play at Pinnacle.
I have no control over how Ace Ace or any other handicapper uses things like money management, half time plays, or chasing late in the season. I just try to keep the bashers out of ALL handicappers threads, not just Ace Ace.
I am not going to get into any prolonged exchange about what Ace Ace did or didn't do because it has all been said here and at several other sites. The bottom line as usual is win and it doesn't matter what you do, lose and you are a thief, amateur, and everything else under the sun. Nothing new.
My job is to try to keep the peace in the sport forums, not censor handicappers picks or methods.
wilheim.
My post mentions nothing about where his lines come from, as he has always pretended to "post for the public" while posting lines and juice that are particular mainly only to him, a disconnect to be sure, but consistent with the con to set up sales for next season (but "the best laid plans of mice and men", eh Ace? Oops!)
But aren't you a tricky little guy, Willie!
You come in once again to play apologist/defender for your lure,
and pull the old switcheroo - saying he is demonized as a thief for merely "not winning" (which we all do) while the fact stated was that he was a thief for stealing someone else's work.
Where did I say he was a thief for losing?
Nowhere. Nice sidestep. Almost.
Judas goat.
But aren't you a tricky little guy, Willie!
You come in once again to play apologist/defender for your lure,
and pull the old switcheroo - saying he is demonized as a thief for merely "not winning" (which we all do) while the fact stated was that he was a thief for stealing someone else's work.
Where did I say he was a thief for losing?
Nowhere. Nice sidestep. Almost.
Judas goat.
Patrick McIrish said:
That was a pretty damn good post, because for once, Ace got reasonably criticized, not bashed, with a bunch of FACTS that are hard to dispute. It wasnt nonsense like he developed a hit program to boost his page views, or he gives out the opposite side of his picks, and a bunch of conspiracy theories with no proof, etc.
I'll "3rd" that nomination.
That cracked me up, I laughed out loud.
Sonny you take the cake, I have been called a lot of names here but I think you just retired the trophy.
I told you I am not going to get into another Ace Ace argument and I'm not, call him or me anything you want but keep it here in the Rubber Room, have great Super Bowl and even better life.
wil..
I wonder if the sheep led to slaughter find it as funny?
I doubt it.
But it's nice that you can laugh about it, since you only stood to profit from the entire charade.
In real life, the actual goat's can't be blamed, they're just dumb farm animals, they are clueless as to their purpose. The same can't be said of you and the rx. Sending sheep/bettors to slaughter is not surprising really, coming from a faux watchdog site that has, for years, enjoyed a reputation for having only one criteria for advertisors seeking player funds - "will you pay us?" - ready, willing and proud to drop their panties like a cheap Vegas hooker for any shady book operator who will toss a nickel their way.
Even greedy, money-hungry casinos have pamphlets spread throughout the building, with warnings and offers of help. If you find being called outed as a Judas goat funny it must have been really hard for you to keep a straight face when your featured attraction imploded in dire desparation when he hit the minus $30,000 mark and spurted out "a friend of a cousin overheard the wife of a mob guy having tea at McDonald's, AND TODAY'S PLAY IS . . .."
ace is like a bug zapper for this place, a pretty, shiny lamplight to attract bettors, and when they get to close . . . ZAP!!
And you label yourself "just the forum peacekeeper."
Don't sell yourself short willie - you're the bootlicking lackey who is holding up the lamplight.
I doubt it.
But it's nice that you can laugh about it, since you only stood to profit from the entire charade.
In real life, the actual goat's can't be blamed, they're just dumb farm animals, they are clueless as to their purpose. The same can't be said of you and the rx. Sending sheep/bettors to slaughter is not surprising really, coming from a faux watchdog site that has, for years, enjoyed a reputation for having only one criteria for advertisors seeking player funds - "will you pay us?" - ready, willing and proud to drop their panties like a cheap Vegas hooker for any shady book operator who will toss a nickel their way.
Even greedy, money-hungry casinos have pamphlets spread throughout the building, with warnings and offers of help. If you find being called outed as a Judas goat funny it must have been really hard for you to keep a straight face when your featured attraction imploded in dire desparation when he hit the minus $30,000 mark and spurted out "a friend of a cousin overheard the wife of a mob guy having tea at McDonald's, AND TODAY'S PLAY IS . . .."
ace is like a bug zapper for this place, a pretty, shiny lamplight to attract bettors, and when they get to close . . . ZAP!!
And you label yourself "just the forum peacekeeper."
Don't sell yourself short willie - you're the bootlicking lackey who is holding up the lamplight.
In real life, the actual goat's can't be blamed, they're just dumb farm animals, they are clueless as to their purpose. The same can't be said of you and the rx. Sending sheep/bettors to slaughter is not surprising really, coming from a faux watchdog site that has, for years, enjoyed a reputation for having only one criteria for advertisors seeking player funds - "will you pay us?" - ready, willing and proud to drop their panties like a cheap Vegas hooker for any shady book operator who will toss a nickel their way.
Even greedy, money-hungry casinos have pamphlets spread throughout the building, with warnings and offers of help. If you find being called outed as a Judas goat funny it must have been really hard for you to keep a straight face when your featured attraction imploded in dire desparation when he hit the minus $30,000 mark and spurted out "a friend of a cousin overheard the wife of a mob guy having tea at McDonald's, AND TODAY'S PLAY IS . . .."
Those Vegas hookers really get a hard time.
Even greedy, money-hungry casinos have pamphlets spread throughout the building, with warnings and offers of help. If you find being called outed as a Judas goat funny it must have been really hard for you to keep a straight face when your featured attraction imploded in dire desparation when he hit the minus $30,000 mark and spurted out "a friend of a cousin overheard the wife of a mob guy having tea at McDonald's, AND TODAY'S PLAY IS . . .."
Those Vegas hookers really get a hard time.
uppy: 
