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will post these over the next few weeks. Can't add reasoning on these 5 yet but hopefully will have time later today:

Argentina under 6.5 points in group stage 4u +102

Argentina eliminated in group stage 2u +500

Group B total goals under 14.5 4u -108

South Africa to advance from Group A 1u +200 & to win group .25u +700
 

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for any bets against Argentina it is probably smarter to wait as I think they will be a very public team as WC draws nearer. But if you ask me the two most important things to have for any success in WC it would be a solid MF and coaching, both of which Argentina severely lack. It's not that their MF is poor but Maradona simply decided to keep the guys in best form with most experience off the team. As I mentioned in another thread he is looking to play a 4-4-1-1 with Messi the volante behind the striker but then he is keeping FIVE strikers on the squad, so makes no sense at all. This MF (Gutierrez, Mascherano,. Veron, Di Maria, Bolatti, Maxi, Pastore) is nowhere near the country's best MF. Of course their striking group might be the world's best (Tevez, Messi, Higuain, Milito, Palermo, Aguero) but you can only play ONE of these guys in front of Messi! That means Maradona will play his worst players on the field since you need, of course, 4 MF and 4 DF. Put it this way...the European Champions (Inter Milan) started both Cambiasso and Zanetti today in midfield but Maradona decides to keep BOTH of them off the team? Clearly, Maradona is insane or overtaxed by all the coke he has consumed in his time on earth. He also overlooked both Gago (real madrid) and Lucho Gonzalez (Marseille) so will field a MF that would make the USA snicker. Public will LOVE Argentina because of all those forwards but only one wiill play with Messi and only one will come off the bench. The rest of this team, except for maybe Samuel, are nothing special and Maradona has made damn sure that none of these guys are used to playing with each other at all. Again, he could have had 3/10 field players (Samuel, Zanetti, Cambiasso) on the field at the same time...3 guys that all start forthe top club in football, yet he prefers to mix and match players and put everything in Messi's hands. If you watched Inter shut down Messi you will see it is more than possible to do, especially in a group with 3 teams that can defend. Maradona has called up over 100 players since taking over and they really had no business making the finals. Their 1-0 win at Uruguay was incredibly lucky and the only reason they are here. That was their lone away win in 8 qualifiers as they failed to score at Brazil, Chile, Ecuador, and Paraguay, drew Peru, and got hammered by Bolivia. They have put together a nice run of friendlies but I hold no stock in friendlies at all. I will actually wach the Canada match tomorrow though it won't tell me anything about what to expect in South Africa. Of course they are massive favorites to win their group but this team, aside from attackers, is very unimpressive. Greece, So Korea, and Nigeria are no world beaters but they are all very good defensive teams that can easily frustrate Argentina. Yes, it is possible that Messi simply dominates the group but he's never shown a penchant for international football and if you shut him down this team won't go far.

group B under 14.5 goals
- I've talked a lot about Argentina who are really the only team in this group with capable scorers so if their games go under this group will see few goals.
Greece are a dominant defensive team. 9 of their last 12 games overall have been played under 3 goals and they haven't allowed more than 2 goals in a game since a friendly in Hungary in 2008 including games against Spain, Italy, Ukraine, Poland, Denmark and Switzerland. They're a team that fully relies on defense to get results so expect their matches to stay at just a goal or two
South Korea of course has to step up in competition here so they are the wild card but they have a great defensive streak going right now, holding Ivory Coast, Ecuador, Latvia, Finland, Senegal and Denmark scoreless just in the past 8 months.
Nigeria also getting many clean sheets recently. During the African Nations Cup they shutout 4 of their last 5 opponents with only Ghana scoring in that time, while they only scored 5 times themselves (3 against horrendous Mozambique). Offensively you have to go all the way back to 2005 to find a game where they scored 3+ goals against a team ranked in the top 100. Recently against other WC teams they defeated Algeria 1-0, lost to Ghana 1-0, beat France 1-0, and beat South Africa 1-0. I'm seeing a pattern ;)

South Africa to qualify and win group
- smallest bet but has to be taken because of history. No host nation has failed to get out of their group...ever! that includes the USA and South Korea who were massive underdogs to advance but home teams somehow end up playing against 10 men or getting a lucky penalty or, in the USA's case, an own goal to win the game. Mexico, France, and Uruguay despite their higher FIFA rankings will NOT be favored over the host nation so you will see probably PK for every South African match. Mexico has massive problems scoring (3-2-0 3/0 in last 5 friendlies), France are an aging club with their own scoring troubles, shutout by every team in WC they have played in past 20 months (Uruguay, Argentina, Nigeria, and Spain). And Uruguay are here based on a 2-1 aggregate win over Costa Rica, who routinely get their asses kicked at the world cup.
- this is a group where every game will be low scoring thus the 12.5 total goals in group and not 14.5-15.5 like every other group. This means that one mistake or one extra motivated player can make the difference and with altitude, temperature, and home crowd advantages in their favor I think South Africa can surprise just not enough to lay more than small bucks on them.
 

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Fading Argentina is a good bet in this tournament. They got in by the skin of their teeth!
 

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Nigeria, South Korea and Greece aren't exactly powerhouses. Plus they have this guy named Messi. Proceed with caution my friend.
 

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i take it from your comments that you did not read a word of my previews floyd
 

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I did read what you wrote, and i must say im against you in the Argentina bet.
I agree with most things you say, and it is very true, Maradona corrupted a team that could potentially be winners had they had good coaching.
But don't get it twisted, if the team learns how to play together, they could be LETHAL. Also, don't forget this is the WORLD CUP, and no team will want to take a loss that easily. It only takes 1 goal to break a defensive scheme.
What i mean is that if Argentina plays Greece (and i agree 100% with you, they are a very defensive team), and score an early goal, the strategy for Greece might change due to the fact that they are down and NEED to score. In return they might try to push higher leaving gaps open for Argentina to score a 2nd, 3rd, etc.
My problem is not really with your pick, but at the amount of people that are just fading Argentina. I understand the position they are in, but they are so unpredictable at this point that its better to play someone else and watch them see how they do through the group.
Lets not forget that teams that do really good throughout the qualifiers don't necessarily do well in the world cup and vice versa (Argentina did great in the qualifiers of WC 2002 and DIDN'T EVEN GET THROUGH THE GROUP STAGE!!!!!)

South Africa winning the group.... now thats just as slim of a chance as Portugal winning the world cup imo. The team is terrible and although they might put a lot of effort and heart, sometimes its just not enough. Mexico and Uruguay are teams that can play really well when they want to. France will probably beat them as well. Assuming they lose against Uruguay OR Mexico + a loss against France, would leave them out of the world cup....

Again, im not here to bash you, but to question your picks and maybe if we all work together we can come out profitable from it
 

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hmm, martinga, I don't know anyone but me that is fading argentina. everyone i know, whether on this forum or others, believes they are THE team to beat outside of the clear top 2 teams in the world, Spain/Brazil

I've put together an overview of current ELORATINGS and FIFA rankings for every team. I like to look at both sets because they can differ greatly on certain teams. Anyway, the number on the left is the eloratings # and the one to the right is their fifa ranking

Group A
10 France 10
8 Mexico 17
16 Uruguay 18
71 So Africa 90

Group B
7 Argentina 7
38 Nigeria 20
27 Greece 12
23 So Korea 47

Group C
4 England 8
19 USA 14
47 Slovenia 23
76 Algeria 31

Group D
6 Germany 6
13 Serbia 16
41 Ghana 32
18 Australia 21

Group E
3 Netherlands 4
36 Cameroon 19
20 Denmark 35
35 Japan 45

Group F
5 Italy 5
26 Paraguay 30
48 Slovakia 38
77 New Zealand 78

Group G
1 Brazil 1
12 Portugal 3
30 Ivory Coast 27
79 North Korea 106

Group H
2 Spain 2
11 Chile 15
24 Switzerland 26
31 Honduras 40
 

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The rankings are neat. Now let's look at the odds of Argentina's 3 Group games.

6/12
Argentina -1(-125) -200
Nigeria +1(+115) +700

6/17
Argentina -1.5(-120) -275
Korean Rep +1.5(+120)+800

6/22
Greece +1(-115) +600
Argentina -1(-105) -210

First off I like your posts Rolltide and certainly understand people not liking Argentina's by barely qualifing and all. But Argentia's competition here is pathetic. I would have liked to have seen what the U.S. or Portugal would do against Arg.

Anyway Arg. is favored by a goal or more in their 3 games. Their first game against Nigeria is key. A loss of course give you the win on your u6.5. But should they win, that's 3. Then an easy game against Korea, that's 6. Which will qualify them. They then may sit on there hands for the last game. Of course there is pride.

Overall. If your fading Arg. I believe it should be done on the first game . Your getting a goal and +115 odds and +700 straight up. Should Arg lose their first game, I would take the money and run. I then dont see them losing their next 2.

I'l fade them when they hit the 16.
 

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hey roll, im not a big fan of future bets myself i can see where you are coming from with these though. what people dont realize is that these are pretty much long shots aside from the group b under and the argentina points under. nigeria just may shock argentina right off the bat and you would be well on your way. south africa has a pretty tough group IMO but looked decent in confed cup last year against spain in the 3rd place game and brazil in the semis, 2 sides which are way stronger then the other 3 in there group. there will be a lot of pressure on mexico in the opening game and a small upset could be in order there as well. argentina looked super shaky at times in qualifying including a 6-1 loss at bolivia. maradona a coach who is pretty shaky as well and the pressure would be immense if the first game is dropped.

looks like we are both from the burg, where in the city are you from??
 

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well I totally agree that So Africa are the 4th best team in their group but throwing a tiny .25 unit on a result that happens every 4 years (host nation winning group) was value enough to give it a go

my main bets are obviously arg u6.5 points and their group under 14.5 goals. of course if they beat Nigeria 4-1 I'm in trouble on both :)

my bets really have little to do with how they qualified. brazil barely qualified one year then won the world cup. it has much more to do with the crazy man in charge, his insane selections, his goofy formation which leaves the best players off the field, and their very fragile mental state. If Nigeria get a draw or snap all 3 from Argentina (i actually expect 1 point from Nigeria here) then I think Argentina will fold. I see nobody giving Greece respect but they are the type of fortress-like defense and physical team that will frustrate the Argentinians. If Heinze is in the starting lineup in Game 1 I know that I will win my bets...

btw, I wouldn't be surprised if Arg destroyed Canada today. Normally would be all over +2.5 but this is really the last chance for their flurry of forwards to get that sole spot up front, while the rest will watch from the bench.

more bets to come...
 

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Could not agree more. I actually love Nigeria to win and Nigeria to advance, going off at 470 and 130 at some places, respectively. Argentina dismantled Canada today, but so would my little brothers u13 team. Canada is a team that is not fit, has no form, and can not be compared to the quality seen in the Finals. Fade Argentina this WC and it should pay nicely.
 

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Argentina is 2-0 against Nigeria in World cup games.

1994 Argentina 2 Nigeria 1
2002 Argentina 1 Nigeria 0


Argentina can have Tevez and someone else in front of Messi. All they have to do is play Messi as an Enganche.
 

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Argentina is 2-0 against Nigeria in World cup games.

1994 Argentina 2 Nigeria 1
2002 Argentina 1 Nigeria 0


Argentina can have Tevez and someone else in front of Messi. All they have to do is play Messi as an Enganche.

games in 94 and 02 have 0 to do with 2010.
 

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I will also be fading argentina this world cup and agree with you completely
 

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[South Africa to qualify and win group
- smallest bet but has to be taken because of history. No host nation has failed to get out of their group...ever! that includes the USA and South Korea who were massive underdogs to advance but home teams somehow end up playing against 10 men or getting a lucky penalty or, in the USA's case, an own goal to win the game. ...

True, but there has never been a weaker home team than South Africa. South Korea is a decent team, and even the U.S. team of '94 was better. Also it should be noted that USA advanced as third in their group as the 1994 World Cup was played with only six groups while now there are eight and you have to make the top two to make it into the elimination stages.
I'm not saying S.A. has no chance to advance but I do doubt that there is value in these picks.
 

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True, but there has never been a weaker home team than South Africa. South Korea is a decent team, and even the U.S. team of '94 was better. Also it should be noted that USA advanced as third in their group as the 1994 World Cup was played with only six groups while now there are eight and you have to make the top two to make it into the elimination stages.
I'm not saying S.A. has no chance to advance but I do doubt that there is value in these picks.

good points you make. the weak usa team that did advance was 3rd and their win was so bad it cost a man his life. im going to disagree with korea being "decent" in 02 tho, the group consisted of them, a very young portugal team (starstuck perhaps?), a plucky usa team and a poland side that well was average. after that, they got a ton of calls to make 4th place. south africa has a much tougher group this time around, however, i think its in fifas best interest to see them on, so dont be surprised if they get the lion share of the calls. the first game against mexico is likely an elimination game right off the bat, the loser would be finished. i thought south africa played pretty well in confed cup, in the last 2 games at least (brazil semis and spain 3rd place game). i think people are understimating how big home field advantage is in this tournament as well as this team as a whole.
 

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Ivory Coast eliminated in group stage 2.5u +100
Nigeria top African finisher 1u +450

- Drogba broke his arm today and, even if he plays in 10 days vs Portugal, will be severely limited. Brazil will qualify for sure and now Portugal must be big favorites to also do so. Taking portugal to qualify at -150 is ridiculous when you can just take IC to be eliminated in group stage for evens! unless, of course you think North Korea stand a chance ;)

- Nigeria haven't been hit with the injury bug like Ghana and Ivory Coast and have an easier group than all other African teams. The two best African players, Essien and Drogba, are out and that must put Nigeria as a much bigger favorite than the +450 suggests.
 

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i think you are probably right about the ivory coast now. the drogba injury is a killer. i hear he might play?! but even if he does it would be kinda craziness. im pretty sure he would not be playing unless it was world cup or maybe knockout stage in champions league.

i have a question on the nigeria bet. them as top finisher does that mean advance the furthest or just most points in group stage?
 

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