I personally agree leaving Matt Moore in to start the 9th would have been the best option. He was getting stronger as the game went on, and didn't throw many pitches under duress. Calling Bochy an idiot, however, is not fair at all. I think 3 WS titles with pretty average teams should allow him to be given the benefit of the doubt. He made the call based on what he knew, and his relievers didn't come through. If I was a Giant fan I can't think of anybody I'd rather have making those tough decisions.
If Moore actually said this, Boche had no choice. Had the exact same thing happen to me in a 19u state playoff game, and the exact same result that ended our season.
Lol his velocity had already dipped at that point and he was about to face the top of that dangerous batting order. Plus there's some stat out there about how starting pitchers are generally significantly less effective the fourth time throughout the lineup, so Bochy was just playing the percentages as well by going to the bullpen.
As for his recent Tommy John, it's just dangerous to leave a guy out there when he's already over 120+ pitches and had the surgery as recently as he did. Even someone like Jose Fernandez (RIP), as dominant as anyone in the game, was being somewhat limited in the beginning of this season, almost two years after his TJ surgery -- for that very reason. Moore's arm wouldn't fall off but it certainly could have negative effects in the short-term and/or long-term, and they still would have had two more series to go.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. Perhaps if Bochy went to his former closer, Casilla, who was such a huge piece for their bullpen in the previous three championships, we wouldn't be having this discussion to begin with. And I like Moore -- always thougt he'd live up to the hype from his rookie season (when he had his way vs the Rangers in the ALDS), but I just think that with his pitch count that high, and the pitch count that high, considering the typical struggles for SPs the fourth time thru the lineup, and about to face that loaded lineup a fourth time, the percentages were low of him succeeding in the 9th
We live it continuously as Sports Handicappers. Perfectly Reasonable decisions, in our case "wagers", do not work out as they should.
Yeah...SF bullpen was Fail, 2nd half of the year post All-Star Break they cost the team a good number of games but seriously, up by 3 needing just 3 outs Moore at 120 pitches?!!? I don't feel personally like Bochy made a bad decision more than a good-hitting team rose, remarkably and a Bullpen failed. Also (arguably at least) remarkably.
Not in bochys defense..... but I was speaking on this bullpen and his managing in june/july. Because he had Vin Mazzaro in the bullpen at the time. When you have him in your bullpen competing for a job you need to question everything going on. Besides derek law they are all trash. But to bring mazzaro was a sign that they suck. No good pen needs him, ever. Possibly the worst major league pitcher ever.
Next, with Bumgarner on the mound..... on that day... anyone of us could manage the Giants. Win a world series by letting possibly the greatest post season pitcher ever pitch 3 of the 7 games. Real tough decision Lol. He's an overrated manager right now.
Next, with Bumgarner on the mound..... on that day... anyone of us could manage the Giants. Win a world series by letting possibly the greatest post season pitcher ever pitch 3 of the 7 games. Real tough decision Lol. He's an overrated manager right now.
