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My best example would be Switzerland. They have a socialistic government yet all citizens have access to the best medical system, the best education, mothers get paid in correlation to how much children they bear, it is a neutral country, and extremely rich with their offshore banking.

Just a fact, I am against socialism but am pointing out to a country that is a pretty near example on how socialism might work.
 

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Where do you get that Switzerland is a socialist nation, or even that they have socialised medicine as one tends to envision when thinking of Canada, Sweden, the UK, and other socialist hellholes?

Key facets of the Swiss health care system:

1. Swiss health care demonstrates that Governments need not be the single payer. Through their unusually mixed system of private and public contributions, the Swiss maintain a price mechanism which permits all people to influence the flow of funds into the system and avoid the widespread rationing typical of the UK.

2. The Swiss are price-conscious. In addition to the mixed source of funds, price consciousness is enabled through premium competition between insurers, choice of level of deductible, and co-payment.

3. Governments should not impose a single provider because consumers cannot escape bad service. There is substantial private ownership of hospitals in Switzerland as well as a large number of independent GPs and specialists who operate from their own clinics. Through unlimited consumer choice of physician, the system encourages doctors to serve their patients, and so, the quality of medical service supply is guaranteed by the market. Unfortunately, competition is less effective in the hospital sector, where cantonal cartels have forced up prices. [Phaedrus adds: this last point demontrates the evil of state-private collusion quite nicely.]

4. Since the first health insurance law of 1911, the Swiss decided to avoid a compulsory link with employers because it makes it harder to move towards systems based on responsible consumers. If someone else seems to be paying, personal responsibility is diminished.

5. The Swiss recognise the special nature of health care it is partly a moral necessity and partly an ordinary consumer good.

6. The Swiss ensure that people dependent on government support do not have an obviously inferior service. In practice, Switzerland applies a market test. They recognise that the state cannot guarantee the standard of care enjoyed by the rich and so it cannot honestly promise an equal service without suppressing all private health care.

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(Source: Civitas)

Additionally, the Swiss have a largely de-centralised federal power (recent trends notwithstanding) a relatively small federal (<12% of GDP) and tiny military (<1% of GDP) budgets, no state-controlled industries (except for private-public joint-venture utilities common all over the world) etc.

Hardly a socialist Utopia there.


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Phaedrus,

Thank you for the clarification. Honestly, I have always interpreted the Swiss government practice as a type of socialistic system. Nevertheless, my intention was to praise their government.
 

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Of course I've lived in a country with practices forms of socialism - The United States.

The U.S. in the 21st century has a variety of social sharing and government programs which redistribute resources. I don't like all of them, but there's plenty that are worthy of praise.

That's why I don't need to 'move to a socialist country'. I can work to improve my own.

And of course, in the 21st century, one need not be a resident of another country to be well educated about how their government works and how their people live. That information is readily available. And upon review, it tells me again that I may not approve of all the ways socialism is applied, but I respect it when it does succeed in achieving desired ends.
 
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Yea you keepo working to stunt mankind and promote a welfare state.

Still waiting for the last significant contribution to the universe by a socialist country??????????????????????

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> My best example would be Switzerland. They have a socialistic government yet all citizens have access to the best medical system <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Total and complete fantastical bullshit, last time a Swiss entity contributed anything that would be remotely considered state of the art in medicine may have been WWII, the USA has the best medical care in the world. Our indigent get better care then some place's royalty.
 

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