Why No Up or Down Vote on Drilling?

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Say we drill tomorrow, where are we going to put all that oil? We don't have enough refineries. One more thing, the oil that is drilled, why do you think it will stay in the US and not go on the world market, to the highest bidder?


There are plenty of reasons gas costs so much, but one of them is that the United States doesn't have enough refineries. The National Petrochemicals and Refiners Association says that the last new refinery built in the United States was Marathan Ashland's Garyville, La., plant—and it was completed in 1976. According to this report, between 1999 and 2002 refining capacity in the United States rose only 3 percent, squeezing up prices since demand grew much faster than that.

It's been talked about here many times...the refining is not a problem...it can be farmed out.

I'll wait for your next ridiculous irrelevant argument so you can stubbornly resist drilling for what we have.

Unreal.
 

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Obama should call on his party's leaders to allow a vote on offshore drilling on the outer continental shelf. But he won't. All hat. No cattle. And no spine.

Remember, ANY vote for ANY Democrat is a vote for rising gas prices and massive transfers of wealth to the mafioso oil cartel known as OPEC. That because...

If it's BAD for America, it's GREAT for Democrats!
 
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A vote on drilling? Pelosi says, "Use your imagination."

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Posted by Bobby Eberle
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The price of gasoline has hit everyone hard, and now it's time for Congress to act. No, I'm not talking about a "big government" solution... the Congress sticking its nose where it doesn't belong and trying to "blame" someone or something for the ups and downs of capitalism. I'm talking about Congress simply realizing that the laws of supply and demand are at work, and to help bring prices down, Americans need more supply. And we need it now!
Despite the calls from the majority of Americans to increase drilling, which would increase supply and decrease our dependency on hostile Middle Eastern governments, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has sent Congress home for the summer. She is refusing to vote on energy legislation and would rather turn a deaf ear to the voices of the American people. She is not doing her job, and we need a change. You can help...

In an interview this weekend with George Stephanopoulos, Pelosi continued to evade questions about why she won't allow a vote on more domestic drilling. She spoke nonsense to the point where even Stephanopoulos got frustrated. At one point, the exchange went like this:
STEPHANOPOULOS: But why not allow votes on all that? When you came in as Speaker you promised in your commitment book "A New Direction for America," let me show our viewers, you said that "Bills should generally come to the floor under a procedure that allows open, full, fair debate consisting of full amendment process that grants the Minority the right to offer its alternatives." If they want to offer a drilling proposal, why can't they have a vote?
PELOSI: They'll have to use their imagination as to how they can get a vote and then they may get a vote.
Use their imagination? This is the speaker of the House! We need action, not left-wing babble. It's time for President Bush to call a special session of Congress and put Pelosi back to work.
Before I get to our call for action, I'd like to pass along some simple facts and figures that help paint the real picture of oil and gas prices. As I mentioned earlier, the liberals in Congress are quick to assign "blame" when it comes to a situation affecting Americans. By doing so, they can say that they will help "solve" the problem. Their solution, however, is to bring in more government controls, stifle free enterprise, and take away the power of the people.
Supply and demand works! The liberals just need to see it. As gas prices rose from $2 per gallon, there was some mild grumbling across the country. Did people change their habits? No. Did they start rising up in protest? No. Did the auto industry step up and make changes? No. None of this happened because despite the modest moans and groans, the supply/demand situation had not reached a critical mass.
Now, as gas prices hover at $4 per gallon, what is happening? People are up in arms. They have exceeded their price point, and are demanding action. What's happening? The auto makers are responding with more fuel efficient vehicles. There are more efforts at developing and producing for the market electric and alternative fuel vehicles. And, there is a demand by the public for more drilling in the United States. All of this has come about with no government input. It is simply the market at work. And it's working.
For the liberals, the villain they point to is "big oil" -- the evil oil companies with their obscene profits. The plan for the liberals is to actually tax the profits of the oil companies because they deem the companies are making too much. Now, if that doesn't strike you as the most un-American thing to do, then you've been living in France for too long.
Let's look at the classic lemonade stand example. The main expense, of course, is the supply of lemons. There are other costs involved, but let's assume those are relatively constant. After I factor in all the costs, I then determine the selling prices to make a profit on each glass sold. Now, what happens when word spreads and people start realizing they want the lemonade more than a Diet Coke. The demand goes up. The lemon growers decide to raise the prices dramatically. So, the price of a glass of lemonade goes up because it costs more to purchase lemons. As it turns out, people are willing to drink and drink the lemonade, so the demand keeps increasing, and I am making record profits simply because I'm selling more lemonade.
++ Click here to tell Nancy Pelosi to get back to work! Contact President Bush today and urge him to call a special session of Congress!
The same things apply to the gas situation and "big oil." I am a fan of sports cars, so when I travel, I often pick up a magazine such as Car and Driver. In this month's issue, the Editor-in-Chief Csaba Csere, wrote an interesting article pointing out some of the facts and figures that the liberals conveniently fail to mention.
A barrel of crude oil contains 42 gallons and currently costs (at time of publishing) about $130. That means the raw material (think lemons) costs $3.10 a gallon. For finding the oil, getting it out of the ground, transporting it to a refinery, turning it into gasoline, and distributing that gasoline, ExxonMobil cleared about 58 cents per gallon in 2007, based on figures in its annual report. Of that 58 cents, Exxon paid about 25 cents in federal income tax. The feds also collected 18.4 cents of excise tax per gallon. Meanwhile, the state of Michigan collects 19.875 cents per gallon of "excise and environmental" taxes, along with 24 cents of sales tax (at $4 per gallon). So, ExxonMobil nets 33 cents per gallon, while our federal and state governments take 87 cents per gallon.
So, who profits more from high oil prices? Big oil or big government?
Which leads us to our current situation. To help increase supply, America needs to drill for oil at home, and we need to do it now! Relying on hostile governments for our oil supply does not make any sense, and yet that is exactly what Nancy Pelosi would have us do.
There is now an effort underway by congressional Republicans to bring Congress back into session so that a vote could be on an energy bill. Congressman Mike Pence (R-IN) sent a asking him to convene a special session of Congress.
Today the Democrat majority of Congress adjourned for a five-week vacation without taking a vote on bipartisan measures that would lessen our dependence on foreign oil by allowing more domestic drilling on the Outer Continental Shelf.
"The American people won't get a vacation from high gasoline prices, so Congress shouldn't take a vacation until we vote to lessen our dependence on foreign oil.
"Since the Speaker has decided not to keep the House in session to allow this vote, I renew my call for President Bush to convene an immediate energy special session of Congress. Under Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution, the President has the power 'on extraordinary occasions' to convene the Congress.
House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) issued a statement on Sunday saying that House Republicans "will be back on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives again Monday to continue the unprecedented protest that began last Friday, when dozens of Republicans joined hundreds of American citizens on the House floor to protest Speaker Nancy Pelosi's (D-CA) decision to send Congress home for the rest of the summer without a vote on legislation to lower gas prices and move America toward energy independence."
We need a real debate on this issue, and we need Congress to act according to the will of the American people. Please contact President Bush today and urge him to call a special session. If Nancy Pelosi and the far left prefer to do nothing, then it is up to President Bush to force their hand.
++ Click here to tell Nancy Pelosi to get back to work! Contact President Bush today and urge him to call a special session of Congress! http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/?p=754
 

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We should just continue to depend on oil, and drill for oil here without any regard to our land and wildlife. And if that doesn't work, we just blame Pelosi! Or we can fault the democrats.

I don't care that Exxon is raking in record profits. In fact, I'm happy about it. It gives me something to root for when the Red Sox aren't ahead in the standings.

That is right my fellow Americans. Do what it takes to possibly lower gas by 10 cents or so, and we can put all
bi-partisanship aside.

Drilling for oil here is very much a part of any energy solution. We must reduce our dependency on imported oil. That damage to "land & wildlife" stuff has long since been mitigated. Alaska has proven the fear mongerers wrong and the rest of the world is drilling.

Nuclear energy is another safe option the world uses, but we can't.

Wind energy will be part of the answer, but my guess is solar energy being a substantial source is still a ways away.

Improving mileage and developing mass transit systems will also be part of the solution.

But we must drill here and drill now, stop the insanity already.
 

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Say we drill tomorrow, where are we going to put all that oil? We don't have enough refineries. One more thing, the oil that is drilled, why do you think it will stay in the US and not go on the world market, to the highest bidder?


There are plenty of reasons gas costs so much, but one of them is that the United States doesn't have enough refineries. The National Petrochemicals and Refiners Association says that the last new refinery built in the United States was Marathan Ashland's Garyville, La., plant—and it was completed in 1976. According to this report, between 1999 and 2002 refining capacity in the United States rose only 3 percent, squeezing up prices since demand grew much faster than that.

If we drill here, we increase supply and thus decrease cost. The price will come down immediately, as we diminish the speculation element & security fears built into the price.

Where will we put it? We will import less, so I guess we'll just leave more in the ground in the ME.
 

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lol

essentially dum fuks, ill informed and generally morons...

even mention less blame oil corporations....its downright communist.

The profit is no higher relatively THAN a company named Coca- Cola

US companies in general already experience the highest corporate tax on the planet.

What crooks.

Oil companies employ a hell of a lot of people

get a clue

as for alternative vs domestic drilling

they do not need to be in opposition
another poly forum genius that doesn't know then from than
 

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i give up LOL

by the way just took a smoke break and saw somebody driving down the road in a spaceage looking golfcart type thing

might be electric sounded like it....

the markets at work boyz

Righty-oh

Gas Powered (120mpg) and electric scooter sales skyrocketing in Florida.

Buy your stock options in ScooterInc and laugh your way to the bank
 

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This woman in the position of Speaker of the House of Representatives of the United States is as glaring an example of the Peter Principle as you're ever going to see.

Why No Up or Down Vote on Drilling?

Because that cathedral of wisdom Nancy Pelosi wants to save the children of the world! 20 years from now when you google Pelosi you find "dimwitted former speaker of house Marxist views undermines America's competitiveness"
 

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