Why I will No Longer Respond to Barman

[artiesliver]

12 wives if they want (I don't know why they would want 1 let alone 12, but that's up to them).

I'm going down a slippery slope here, because I know the counter-argument, but here it goes...as it pertains to the 13 year old(s), it is not ok b/c their rights are being violated. Someone, ie. the gov't, must protect those unable to protect themselves (minors, mentally incapacitated, etc.).

Now comes the counter-argument, "but what about the fetus' rights?" To that I do not have an answer other than, let each individual who has an abortion decide their own fate (they will either face their "maker" or not).

 

[roadreeler57]

Some people believe that, others happen to not believe that. Should the gov't force the beliefs of some on all?

If a woman (or a couple) believes that, she/they can choose to carry the baby to term, if she/they don't believe it she/they have the OPTION of abortion along with many other OPTIONS that should be advocated but not forced upon them.

Yeah I kinda understand this statement but isn't the real answer addressing what happens before conception like a girl kicking a guy in the balls or Birth control pills or rubbers or some of these little whores having some fucking morals in the first place before murdering a living breathing human being?

 

[ScottL]

Not really. The only time to really take the question of criminalizing abortion seriously is when a legislative body makes a serious attempt to effect such a change in the law.

Until then, it's mainly just a bunch of people wagging their fingers at pregnant American women and trying to play state nanny.

And since I'm pretty sure there's no pregnant females reading our friendly PoliticoPub, the staunch ranting against abortion is an elevated shade of Comedy Gold

Not true. TGBN took a break from the forum because she is expecting.

 

[artiesliver]

Yeah I kinda understand this statement but isn't the real answer addressing what happens before conception like a girl kicking a guy in the balls or Birth control pills or rubbers or some of these little whores having some fucking morals in the first place before murdering a living breathing human being?

Yes, those are viable contraception options and should be promoted heavily here in the U.S. and globally (whether it is in lieu of abortion or given the overwhelming HIV/AIDS rates in Africa and southeast Asia). However, the "morals" are beliefs that are either "God-delivered" (such as the 10 commandments) or "man-made" (such as the 10 commandments). You end up back at the same place, why is it wrong for the little whores to have sex? It is natural, but so is the human ability for reasoning (self-control).

I'm not saying I do/don't agree with you, it is a question that has yet to be answered and people a lot smarter than I am have been debating it for as long as I've been on this earth (such as those with degrees from the University of Phoenix).

 

[JoeContrarian]

Some people believe that, others happen to not believe that. Should the gov't force the beliefs of some on all?

Yes, absolutely. A healthy society needs standards -- healthy moral macro standards.

Whether secular "progressives" admit this or not, the United States was founded on Judeo-Christian values and ethics. They have served us very well for well over 200 years.

If you want to 'change' the social and economic fabric of the country, you better come up with a damn good case to back up your argument.

"Sure, why not?" isn't an argument.

Rosie O'Donut insisting on a set of fabricated rights derived mainly out of her own personal feelings -- isn't an argument.

What's next? "Rights" for pedophiles because, after all, nobody should dare question or 'judge' the genuine sexual attraction some adults have toward little girls and boys?

:wierdo:

 

[artiesliver]

So, the beliefs of the Third Reich in WWII Europe should have been imposed on others regardless, because the majority said so?

 

[artiesliver]

Yes, absolutely. A healthy society needs standards -- healthy moral macro standards.

Whether secular "progressives" admit this or not, the United States was founded on Judeo-Christian values and ethics. They have served us very well for well over 200 years. "

I'm not sure those that were enslaved would have said it served them well over the past 200 years. Maybe if we tell them that it was "Judeo-Christian" values, their ancestors may be ok with it.

 

[artiesliver]

Just to bring it back to the original issue...I personally do not understand why someone would choose to have an abortion, particularly given personal experiences my wife and I have been going through on that front (and no B'man it has nothing to do w/the 150 lbs of dog on the bed with us). But for whatever reason they choose to do so. If abortion is outlawed, the abortions aren't going to stop they will just go underground. Just like the drugs, guns, etc. have. Yes, there needs to be a line drawn, the question is where?

 

[texansfan]

Pretty fucking weak barman.

 

[guitarjosh]

Just to bring it back to the original issue...I personally do not understand why someone would choose to have an abortion, particularly given personal experiences my wife and I have been going through on that front (and no B'man it has nothing to do w/the 150 lbs of dog on the bed with us). But for whatever reason they choose to do so. If abortion is outlawed, the abortions aren't going to stop they will just go underground. Just like the drugs, guns, etc. have. Yes, there needs to be a line drawn, the question is where?

I agree. In principle, I'm militantly pro life. But, I do wonder what would happen to all of the 4,000 aborted babies a day if all abortion was outlawed...

 

[JoeContrarian]

So, the beliefs of the Third Reich in WWII Europe should have been imposed on others regardless, because the majority said so?

Did the values of the Third Reich serve their citizens well?

Answer: No.

Have the values of Madison, Adams, Jefferson, Washington et all, served the citizens of the US well?

Answer: In sum total, yes.

The United States of America, from its inception, has been based on the Judeo-Christian value system, not secular feeling-centric 'Enlightenment' values, and therefore the secularization of American society will lead to the collapse of America as a great country.

I can back my argument with examples and facts -- namely, the horrid decay of modern Europe and the incredible rapid social decline here in the US since the 1960s: the modern dark ages -- the age of ignorance/stupidity.

Can you do the same?

I don't want "change" -- and frankly, neither do most Americans.

It is up to the proponents of "change" (i.e., same-sex marriage, or human-horse marriage advocates) to make a convincing argument that is proven superior to the status-quo.

If these immature dysfunctional leftists can't/won't come up with something better beyond "I want, I want, I want" then they should keep their little perversions to themselves behind closed doors until they come up with a coherent argument.

%^_

 

[artiesliver]

Did the values of the Third Reich serve their citizens well?

Answer: No. "


--But at the time they believed that it would. Only the benefit of hindsight has proven otherwise.

 

[artiesliver]

The bottomline to me is that the U.S. needs to do a little gut check (or soul searching if one chooses to believe in a soul) and get this country back on track. There is a confidence problem and if we don't do something soon, we will be in worse shape. Unfortunately, IMO, Bush, McCain, Obama, or the current Congress cannot do it.

 

[JoeContrarian]

Ridiculous argument that is woefully lacking in specificity.

 

[barman]

Not true. TGBN took a break from the forum because she is expecting.

My first really good :lolBIG: for today.....

I was wondering why the CommonSensePennsylvanian POV had yet to make an entry into our cyber circle jerk tonight.

Pull up a stool and if you're a good guy, we'll let you make like JOEC and pretend any of this here PoliticoForum is Serious Business.

 

[JoeContrarian]

Did the values of the Third Reich serve their citizens well?

Answer: No. "

--But at the time they believed that it would. Only the benefit of hindsight has proven otherwise.

Key phrase: "at the time"

For how long? How many years were the people of Europe swept away by Nazism? A decade, tops.

Btw, the reason the Germans fell prey to the fraud of Nazism is because they started to believe in a little 'science' known as Darwinism -- Social Darwinism to be more specific.

Moral of the story: never base the moral underpinnings of your society around 'science.'

My irony meter is spinning out of control. :missingte

Judeo-Christian values are time-tested, successful, proven values.

The alternative morally and intellectually bankrupt garbage we are bombarded with has no track record and was pulled out of someone's filthy asshole -- LITERALLY!

uke1:

 

[barman]

Just to bring it back to the original issue...I personally do not understand why someone would choose to have an abortion, particularly given personal experiences my wife and I have been going through on that front (and no B'man it has nothing to do w/the 150 lbs of dog on the bed with us). But for whatever reason they choose to do so. If abortion is outlawed, the abortions aren't going to stop they will just go underground. Just like the drugs, guns, etc. have. Yes, there needs to be a line drawn, the question is where?

AL, I've made my peace with you and your dogs. Any way, how or why you need to reach your shared goal with Mrs AL for a Lil ArtieL, (or AnitaL) should be considered blessed by me.

 

[barman]

Pretty fucking weak barman.

Houston off-shift finally....glad to see you home safe and sound.

I've been screwing around in two or three threads tonight between my DrugSense work and handicapping Monday's MLB, so forgive me if I'm unclear with which of my HighlySerious posts you are grumpy.

 

[artiesliver]

AL, I've made my peace with you and your dogs. Any way, how or why you need to reach your shared goal with Mrs AL for a Lil ArtieL, (or AnitaL) should be considered blessed by me.

:toast:I just hope we don't end up w/several pups. (NO, no, no...no freaky stuff like that you sick bastards).

BTW, B'man, how's your little dog doin'?

 

[barman]

Just to bring it back to the original issue....

Well if you want get technical, the OriginalIssue of this here thread was that FESTZIT did not find give a high score to my HumorQuotient when I honestly equated my empathy for a terminated fetus to my empathy for a terminated cockroach.

And somehow less than two pages later, we get non-Christian MarkL (joeC) ranting on "JudeoChristian values" while wagging his cyber finger at all you immoral and valueless heathens.

All good....the posting pace for this evening indicates Mark's bipolar manic cycle should be peaking and he'll have to sleep soon whether he wants to or not.