I was gracious enough to share inside information on this site, and I get people like dickw, maxi, seaurchin, everygamblerdream, and areef giving me greif, when they should be kissing up to me, begging for my phone # or email. So many losers root for you to lose instead of soaking up what you have to say and learn, I do notice when I post coll fb or bb plays the line moves instantly against me and I get a few thankyou notes, but not as many as I should.
I always love people that notice when the line moves after they bet or after they tell someone to bet
Once again, maybe Rail or others are sharp, but I leave this buyer beware message, sharps don't go around wearing "I am a sharp, bet my games" t-shirt. The sharpest guys I know will do things like monitor influential posting boards, spend a little time in a book in Vegas, listen to the radio shows and read things on the net...just waiting for the right number to bet. If it doesn't come they oftentimes won't bet it. If a sharp isn't betting a game right now, its usually because he worries about something pertinent about a game, whether injuries or just the chance to sense where the money is going. Or that he expects the public to bet a number more to his liking. In any case rare is the moment when a sharp will come to a posting board and just offer up a couple of winners with little reasoning and then expect people to come bow at his feet.
Once again, maybe Rail or others are sharp, but I leave this buyer beware message, sharps don't go around wearing "I am a sharp, bet my games" t-shirt. The sharpest guys I know will do things like monitor influential posting boards, spend a little time in a book in Vegas, listen to the radio shows and read things on the net...just waiting for the right number to bet. If it doesn't come they oftentimes won't bet it. If a sharp isn't betting a game right now, its usually because he worries about something pertinent about a game, whether injuries or just the chance to sense where the money is going. Or that he expects the public to bet a number more to his liking. In any case rare is the moment when a sharp will come to a posting board and just offer up a couple of winners with little reasoning and then expect people to come bow at his feet.
Maybe but I don't buy it a lot of times. Put it this way if I get my play in I couldn't give a rats you know what if the world follows me or fades me. Syndicates care, but syndicates are really nothing more than investors with money that get a sharp or even semi-dull sharp to move it for them. Once again the more money you have in this game, the more I like your odds to do well. Well I talk about sharps I am talking about guys that do their own handicapping, bet their own money, and generally don't move the number that much themselves. This is why I think there is a big fallacy behind just betting steam. Rule of thumb is 3rd move is a loser and oftentimes its just the guys with the most money to move that get followed, not necessarily the guy with the best opinion.
Vegas used to be filled with a bunch of guys that were solid players, but many got involved with syndicates and they lost their edge. I knew a guy that I made good friends with when I first started out betting pro and he happened to get in a good run betting at the Mirage when Jimmy was running the joint. Jimmy got to talking to him and my friend convinced him he was pretty sharp so word got passed around somehow and a syndicate brought him on. He went from moving less than a dime a side up to moving 10 to 20 dimes a side. You do that and at first you want to do you best, but eventually you get jaded and that would be what happened to my buddy. Money didn't matter anymore because his results were still pretty decent and he had no risk, he was picking up a good salary. He got lazy and was working half as hard and making more money because the syndicate gave him an edge he never had before...a network of good prices and a solid bankroll. If New York had a good price, he got down there, before he was stuck to what Vegas offered. In the end he got fat and lazy and eventually got kicked out when some promising prospect popped up. He never regained form and ended up dealing pai gow last I saw him. This is what syndicates do, don't confuse sharps with syndicates. Syndicates sometimes have the best people, sometimes they don't. They make lots of money because they bet lots of money and betting lots of money means you get the best prices around. They use up whatever talent and information they get their hands on, but its not necessarily what their lead handicappers do that get them the loot. Sharps are guys that have talent and back it up with their ass on the line every day. These guys are too busy and have little value in posting here, after all think about your job.
If you spent 9 or 10 hours a day at being a cook, would you head home and boot up the computer and go to all the cooking sites you could find and start posting away? Probably not, you might go occasionally to better yourself, but highly unlikely it would be anything you did passionately.
Vegas used to be filled with a bunch of guys that were solid players, but many got involved with syndicates and they lost their edge. I knew a guy that I made good friends with when I first started out betting pro and he happened to get in a good run betting at the Mirage when Jimmy was running the joint. Jimmy got to talking to him and my friend convinced him he was pretty sharp so word got passed around somehow and a syndicate brought him on. He went from moving less than a dime a side up to moving 10 to 20 dimes a side. You do that and at first you want to do you best, but eventually you get jaded and that would be what happened to my buddy. Money didn't matter anymore because his results were still pretty decent and he had no risk, he was picking up a good salary. He got lazy and was working half as hard and making more money because the syndicate gave him an edge he never had before...a network of good prices and a solid bankroll. If New York had a good price, he got down there, before he was stuck to what Vegas offered. In the end he got fat and lazy and eventually got kicked out when some promising prospect popped up. He never regained form and ended up dealing pai gow last I saw him. This is what syndicates do, don't confuse sharps with syndicates. Syndicates sometimes have the best people, sometimes they don't. They make lots of money because they bet lots of money and betting lots of money means you get the best prices around. They use up whatever talent and information they get their hands on, but its not necessarily what their lead handicappers do that get them the loot. Sharps are guys that have talent and back it up with their ass on the line every day. These guys are too busy and have little value in posting here, after all think about your job.
If you spent 9 or 10 hours a day at being a cook, would you head home and boot up the computer and go to all the cooking sites you could find and start posting away? Probably not, you might go occasionally to better yourself, but highly unlikely it would be anything you did passionately.
It basically comes down to if you want to help other people, or help yourself only. Lots of people are selfish and wont share, others enjoy sharing. When I play golf or tennis I am always giving lessons to strangers for free trying to improve there game, it is better to give than to receive.
Railbird,
Do you ask their religion before you give them a lesson?
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I do notice when I post coll fb or bb plays the line moves instantly against me and I get a few thankyou notes, but not as many as I should.
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Awww, Rail, please excuse us all to hell for not kissing your ass for giving us a nice fade.
JJ will be back shortly to tell you how wonderful you are.
Do you ask their religion before you give them a lesson?
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I do notice when I post coll fb or bb plays the line moves instantly against me and I get a few thankyou notes, but not as many as I should.
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Awww, Rail, please excuse us all to hell for not kissing your ass for giving us a nice fade.
JJ will be back shortly to tell you how wonderful you are.
It is very easy to overestimate what sharps do for a living. Being sharp is not about picking winners. It is about using the information that you are given and intepreting it in a unique way. The most important factors that they look at are those that they think are undervalued by the market and focusing in on those factors. Whether one of those factors is Cascades opening line, a big jump in the total at a non don best book or Roger Clemens ERA in temperatures over 90 degrees doesn't matter. What matters is that they use factors that are underestimated by the general public. Occasionally they may bet use this in reverse and bet against factors which are overestimated by the general public to the point where it skews the line. Irrespective if they then point out those factors in a forum it affects the amount of money bet on them if they become general knowledge. It doesn't matter whether the books read them or not because books react to money bet and eventually the edge has gone.
As somebody who has devoted his life to this game on both sides of the counter I post ocassionally and would be willing to post valuable information but only if that was going to be shared. We all become better and stronger if we have somebody to bounce ideas off but it seems to me that the pool of real pros here is small and the ridicule for trying to stimulate intelligent discussion is so big that posting is not a productive use of my time. Patrick McIrish, Spacious K, WildBill etc i salute your perseverance.....me? I would rather spend the time trying to find 3/1 about the Lakers with a book that didn't realise that signing Malone and Payton required them to change that number.........
As somebody who has devoted his life to this game on both sides of the counter I post ocassionally and would be willing to post valuable information but only if that was going to be shared. We all become better and stronger if we have somebody to bounce ideas off but it seems to me that the pool of real pros here is small and the ridicule for trying to stimulate intelligent discussion is so big that posting is not a productive use of my time. Patrick McIrish, Spacious K, WildBill etc i salute your perseverance.....me? I would rather spend the time trying to find 3/1 about the Lakers with a book that didn't realise that signing Malone and Payton required them to change that number.........
Sky,
Your forgetting the rapist off guard will be in prision, I will wait to get the Lakers at 4/1. I would rather wager in a death pool before I bet on a team with a pedofile owner and a coach that left his wife for Dennis Rodmans sloppy 2nds. Cant you talk about tennis, golf, nascar, cfl, wnba.
I want to find 3/1 Kobe wont play a minunte next season, maybe wsex or majorbetting can put a line on that.
Your forgetting the rapist off guard will be in prision, I will wait to get the Lakers at 4/1. I would rather wager in a death pool before I bet on a team with a pedofile owner and a coach that left his wife for Dennis Rodmans sloppy 2nds. Cant you talk about tennis, golf, nascar, cfl, wnba.
I want to find 3/1 Kobe wont play a minunte next season, maybe wsex or majorbetting can put a line on that.
Sky,
Good post and I totally agree. I, too, am more inclined to share information if I can see a two-way street happening. In fact, I'll even settle for some sign that it's being appreciated to a reasonable degree.
I suppose it's a bit like the teaching profession in terms of motivation. It's hard to get a good teaching job because of competition despite the fact that the pay is lousy. But ask any teacher and he will tell you that as long as you have students who are interested in the subject matter, will ask intelligent questions to keep you on your toes and will show you some respect, the whole thing is worth the effort. And all it takes is one or two whiny brats who think they should be the center of the universe and it makes you wonder if it's worth the bother.
On these public forums it's hard to avoid the bratty types, even if there is strict moderation, so I guess the result is that information gets withheld. Still, I think there is plenty that gets shared and there is nothing to stop us from organizing closed groups, yet we still come here and make posts, so the public forum concept can't be all bad.
Good post and I totally agree. I, too, am more inclined to share information if I can see a two-way street happening. In fact, I'll even settle for some sign that it's being appreciated to a reasonable degree.
I suppose it's a bit like the teaching profession in terms of motivation. It's hard to get a good teaching job because of competition despite the fact that the pay is lousy. But ask any teacher and he will tell you that as long as you have students who are interested in the subject matter, will ask intelligent questions to keep you on your toes and will show you some respect, the whole thing is worth the effort. And all it takes is one or two whiny brats who think they should be the center of the universe and it makes you wonder if it's worth the bother.
On these public forums it's hard to avoid the bratty types, even if there is strict moderation, so I guess the result is that information gets withheld. Still, I think there is plenty that gets shared and there is nothing to stop us from organizing closed groups, yet we still come here and make posts, so the public forum concept can't be all bad.
