Why do poker players get all the fame/money and sports bettors don't?

[lapdance]

tv shows you what they want you to see. i played in the WSOP 3 years ago. espn cameras are everywhere and so are asshole pro's. alot of the guys, especially phil show up late for the purpose of the cameras.
they force these guys down our throats. when one or two of them make the final table, thats all you see is the pros.
the skill of poker comes into play the later the game gets and the more chips you have. really takes balls to bluff until you get some chips in front of you.
like when you here daniel say i think you have kings and the player does, do you realize how many times in 5 or 6 days he says that? the one time he's right they play it over and over.
by the way, an incredible experience.

 

[lapdance]

In the very short term maybe. In the long term, no way.

A top pro will clean the clock, in the long run, of a casual player
100% of the time.

agree to a point but if your getting cards, i don't care if god is across the table.

if i'm dealt aces and go all in and a pro calls and catches on the river, how much skill is in that?

 

[festeringZit]

agree to a point but if your getting cards, i don't care if god is across the table.

if i'm dealt aces and go all in and a pro calls and catches on the river, how much skill is in that?

Look at it this way. All the casinos in vegas need is a long term 1-2% edge
to build multi-billion dollar empires. In the short term you might be able
to clean their clock at the blackjack table, but in the long run, the
casino always wins (unless you are counting cards...).

In the short term, any poker player can win any hand, but the more skillful
players will always win in the end.

 

[Railbird]

Sports betting takes much more skill, there is only so many card combinations, less variables in poker.

 

[howid]

Sports betting takes much more skill, there is only so many card combinations, less variables in poker.

Exactlly, you could take a whole day to focus on one game of any sport and still
not have fully handicapped all variables.


Also there wouldn't be even a glimmer of the current interest in poker if somebody didn't come up with the genius idea of showing hole cards.

 

[bellyputter]

Exactlly, you could take a whole day to focus on one game of any sport and still
not have fully handicapped all variables.

90% of those variables are already in the #. When you learn this, your handicapping will become much easier and less time consuming. The key is exploiting the 10% that the linemaker doesn't have access to. Good Luck

 

[nhoj]

Marketing

 

[bookie]

Also there wouldn't be even a glimmer of the current interest in poker if somebody didn't come up with the genius idea of showing hole cards.

This is the biggest reason why poker on TV became so popular.

 

[BigOrange+]

Because sportbetting doesn't make for any kind of TV coverage.

What are the cameras going to do? Go to your house and watch you get drunk while you sweat the 10K you just laid on a game while Stuart Scott has one eye on you with his lazy eye staring at something else

And any good sportsbettor doesn't want any extra attention. They try to stay under the radar, so they can keep most of their winnings.

 

[gtc08]

sportsbetting is almost all luck. you cant handicap somebody throwing up a 3 pointer at the last second or a meaningless charge down the field to score to ruin your spread.

all of these systems that you see fall apart is false hope.

 

[bookie]

sportsbetting is almost all luck. you cant handicap somebody throwing up a 3 pointer at the last second or a meaningless charge down the field to score to ruin your spread.

all of these systems that you see fall apart is false hope.

How can you say that?
How do you explain hitting a 2-outer on the river? Skill or luck?

 

[OTK]

Sportsbetting takes much more skill, but you have to be skilled to play poker long term as well. Who the hell would want to watch somebody bet on shows though? You can't have a WSOSB, it just wouldn't sell. Poker and other card games are something you can watch.

There are sportsbetting radio shows, and some that even play on tv like Game On, but those only work because it's interactive.

I have no problem with the good poker players getting millions in endorsements while I just make money betting on sports. It's not something you can control so no reason to be upset about it.

 

[krk1030]

They are so different. Sports betting is just as hard to win if your betting $10 or $100000. Poker gets harder as more money is on the line.

You wont see fame from sports bettors because they dont face each other, there is really no way to have competition unless they got the best cappers in the world and had them make picks on TV.

 

[gtc08]

what have you ever done to prove you know whether sportsbetting is a skill or luck?

 

[MrJ]

sportsbetting is almost all luck

Suggestions like this and the "poker is mostly/all luck" in the poker thread are made by people who have no idea what they're talking about.

 

[Harvey Dent]

Sportsbetting def has alot of luck to it, if you bet on the titans vs the colts and peyton manning goes down on the second play..you just got very lucky..in poker you can have the worst hand and win its all about how good YOU play it..sportsbetting you bet on other people

 

[Santo]

The Colts could win without Manning, just the same as you could win with the worse hand. Yes you're betting on other people, but the disposal of direct agency doesn't effect the skill/luck continuum.

There's a big debate in academia at the moment about this (Caillois Agon/Alea), related to the poker skill v luck court cases in the US, Denmark, UK etc..

The big problem really is that everyone (public, judiciary) seems to think of skill and luck are opposites, which is not born out by theory. Most games contain elements of both. When trying to evaluate games in this way, something like Stochastic Contingency is a better way of doing so, the degree of mastery involved.

 

[Harvey Dent]

The Colts could win without Manning, just the same as you could win with the worse hand. Yes you're betting on other people, but the disposal of direct agency doesn't effect the skill/luck continuum.

There's a big debate in academia at the moment about this (Caillois Agon/Alea), related to the poker skill v luck court cases in the US, Denmark, UK etc..

The big problem really is that everyone (public, judiciary) seems to think of skill and luck are opposites, which is not born out by theory. Most games contain elements of both. When trying to evaluate games in this way, something like Stochastic Contingency is a better way of doing so, the degree of mastery involved.

I saw them play without manning against the titans

they lost

 

[AngleBroom]

tv shows you what they want you to see. i played in the WSOP 3 years ago. espn cameras are everywhere and so are asshole pro's. alot of the guys, especially phil show up late for the purpose of the cameras.
they force these guys down our throats. when one or two of them make the final table, thats all you see is the pros.
the skill of poker comes into play the later the game gets and the more chips you have. really takes balls to bluff until you get some chips in front of you.
like when you here daniel say i think you have kings and the player does, do you realize how many times in 5 or 6 days he says that? the one time he's right they play it over and over.
by the way, an incredible experience.

Phil doesn't show up late because of the cameras, he just has no intention of playing a hand a being knocked out by a donk in his first hour.
Gives him a little leeway to knock themselves out without him being there.

 

[AngleBroom]

I am sure a sharp TV producer could make a reality sports betting show very entertaining. TV networks target audience male 20-50 would watch it. If Trump can do it....

I've actually seen a show about a group of people handicapping the weekends NFL games, and even I wasn't interested.