Why do people care more about adultery than treason?

[ScottL]

So to sum up QL is this what you are claiming?

Statement #1 -- "I love my country!"

Statement #2 -- "The government of my country carried out a barbaric act of murder, hijacking planes and ramming them into financial and popultion centers in order to kill as many people as possible."

Are you claiming QL that the above two statements are mutually exclusive?

Impossible! So many evil people would have to be involved you might as well just say, "I love my country but my country hates itself!"

 

[nimue77]

DOJ: AIPAC case witness was asked to 'fake...suicide'

Two people asked a Pentagon official cooperating with prosecutors in an investigation into the American Israel Public Affairs Committee to fake his own death to avoid testifying against two pro-Israel lobbyists charged in the case, according to the Justice Department.
Pentagon analyst Lawrence Franklin pled guilty in October 2005 to participating in a conspiracy with AIPAC officials Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman to obtain and distribute classified information. The Justice Department dropped the case against Rosen and Weissman last month as a trial approached.
"Just prior to the entry of his guilty plea, Franklin was approached by two individuals who made a pitch to Franklin about faking his death by suicide and disappearing, thus thwarting any cooperation in the case against Rosen and Weissman," prosecutors wrote in a brief filed in connection with a motion to reduce the 12-year prison term Franklin was originally sentenced to.
"In January 2006, Franklin conducted five consensually recorded telephone conversations with one of these individuals, in support of an obstruction of justice/witness tampering investigation; however, the FBI was unable to obtain the requisite incriminating evidence to support a criminal investigation," the Justice Department brief said.
Lawyers for Franklin also cited his report of the apparent tampering effort as part of their arguments for reducing Franklin's sentence. The government recommended lowering Franklin's sentence to about nine years imprisonment. Franklin's team asked for probation. Judge T.S. Ellis, who imposed the first 12-year prison term several years ago, re-sentenced Franklin to probation and 10 months home confinement. (The Pentagon official never started his original sentence; he had been free pending Rosen and Weissman's trial.)
The alleged witness tampering was first reported by POLITICO following Franklin's re-sentencing earlier this month.
A lawyer for Weissman, Baruch Weiss, said today he knew nothing about the alleged incident.
"If there was any witness tampering it wasn't by us. We had zero contact with Larry Franklin through all of this. That's true for us, our lawyers and anybody acting on our behalf. It’s totally surprising to me," Rosen said.
An AIPAC spokesman also denied knowledge of or involvement in the alleged approach to Franklin.

 

[kingbill]

Adultery deals with penises and vaginas - sex sells

 

[Willie99]

generally speaking, people tend to pay attention to simple things being sensationalized over substantive things because they are lazy, stupid & looking for something easy to understand for entertainment purposes.

as for the topics within this thread, it's compounded by the fact that the argumentative premises are wrong.

 

[mamatried]

DOJ: AIPAC case witness was asked to 'fake...suicide'

Two people asked a Pentagon official cooperating with prosecutors in an investigation into the American Israel Public Affairs Committee to fake his own death to avoid testifying against two pro-Israel lobbyists charged in the case, according to the Justice Department.
Pentagon analyst Lawrence Franklin pled guilty in October 2005 to participating in a conspiracy with AIPAC officials Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman to obtain and distribute classified information. The Justice Department dropped the case against Rosen and Weissman last month as a trial approached.
"Just prior to the entry of his guilty plea, Franklin was approached by two individuals who made a pitch to Franklin about faking his death by suicide and disappearing, thus thwarting any cooperation in the case against Rosen and Weissman," prosecutors wrote in a brief filed in connection with a motion to reduce the 12-year prison term Franklin was originally sentenced to.
"In January 2006, Franklin conducted five consensually recorded telephone conversations with one of these individuals, in support of an obstruction of justice/witness tampering investigation; however, the FBI was unable to obtain the requisite incriminating evidence to support a criminal investigation," the Justice Department brief said.
Lawyers for Franklin also cited his report of the apparent tampering effort as part of their arguments for reducing Franklin's sentence. The government recommended lowering Franklin's sentence to about nine years imprisonment. Franklin's team asked for probation. Judge T.S. Ellis, who imposed the first 12-year prison term several years ago, re-sentenced Franklin to probation and 10 months home confinement. (The Pentagon official never started his original sentence; he had been free pending Rosen and Weissman's trial.)
The alleged witness tampering was first reported by POLITICO following Franklin's re-sentencing earlier this month.
A lawyer for Weissman, Baruch Weiss, said today he knew nothing about the alleged incident.
"If there was any witness tampering it wasn't by us. We had zero contact with Larry Franklin through all of this. That's true for us, our lawyers and anybody acting on our behalf. It’s totally surprising to me," Rosen said.
An AIPAC spokesman also denied knowledge of or involvement in the alleged approach to Franklin.

OOOOKAAAAAAAY, so:

Larry Franklin had basically all of his jail time reduced as a result of making this allegation;

There were 5 recorded phone conversations, but no evidence was obtained from these or anywhere else supporting these allegations;

There were never any charges brought against Weissman and Rosen.

Funny how you 911 conspiracy types believe any kind of alleged hearsay coming from Government officials when it suits your agenda, and completely disregard HARD evidence presented by the Government when it conflicts with your agenda.

 

[nimue77]

Franklin pled guilty and was sentened to 13 years in prison for espionage
for passing classified nation defense information.
The time was later reduced.
If you are really interested here is the indictment:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e5/Franklin_Rosen_Weissman_indictment.pdf

Here is a wikipedia on the scandal:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIPAC_espionage_scandal

OOOOKAAAAAAAY, so:

Larry Franklin had basically all of his jail time reduced as a result of making this allegation;

There were 5 recorded phone conversations, but no evidence was obtained from these or anywhere else supporting these allegations;

There were never any charges brought against Weissman and Rosen.

Funny how you 911 conspiracy types believe any kind of alleged hearsay coming from Government officials when it suits your agenda, and completely disregard HARD evidence presented by the Government when it conflicts with your agenda.

 

[mamatried]

Franklin pled guilty and was sentened to 13 years in prison for espionage
for passing classified nation defense information.
The time was later reduced.
If you are really interested here is the indictment:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e5/Franklin_Rosen_Weissman_indictment.pdf

YES YES. He had his sentence reduced after making these charges, which were obviously bogus - or at least unprovable, and not even substantial enough to warrant an indictment. Happens all the time in criminal cases. And anyone who believes the garbage that prosecutors spew, especially when they don't have the evidence or guts to indict, is not very familiar with how the system works.

 

[nimue77]

No, No...you are talking about the subsequent fake suicide claim. That is a tangential case where Franklin agreed to help. In the case above Franklin pled guilty to espionage. The indictment is above.

YES YES. He had his sentence reduced after making these charges, which were obviously bogus - or at least unprovable, and not even substantial enough to warrant an indictment. Happens all the time in criminal cases. And anyone who believes the garbage that prosecutors spew, especially when they don't have the evidence or guts to indict, is not very familiar with how the system works.

 

[mamatried]

No, No...you are talking about the subsequent fake suicide claim. That is a tangential case where Franklin agreed to help. In the case above Franklin pled guilty to espionage. The indictment is above.

Is that supposed to be news? That happened years ago. If that's the point of your post, you're a little behind the times.

 

[nimue77]

This is the case that led to this thread.

Is that supposed to be news? That happened years ago. If that's the point of your post, you're a little behind the times.

 

[quantumleap]

So to sum up QL is this what you are claiming?

Statement #1 -- "I love my country!"

Statement #2 -- "The government of my country carried out a barbaric act of murder, hijacking planes and ramming them into financial and popultion centers in order to kill as many people as possible."

Are you claiming QL that the above two statements are mutually exclusive?

Impossible! So many evil people would have to be involved you might as well just say, "I love my country but my country hates itself!"

The government is not the country. The country consists of hundreds of millions of people including people in the government. A person can love their country while hating a few people inside the government.

 

[ScottL]

You didn't answer my question. So I'll answer it for you.

No one in this country will falsely accuse THOUSANDS of members of our government of conspiring TO DESTROY IT, as that is what the 9/11 mass murderers intend to do, and then turn around and call himself a PATRIOT.

 

[barman]

So this is what happens when I go out of town for three days?

Willie, you came VERY close to needing to pick up a new white key tag when you posted on Page 1

 

[sumday]

Notwithstanding that you are wrong about 9/11, you clearly don't know what treason is.
I never claim to know who planned and executed 9/11, but I do know there were explosives in the WTC.
I aim to protect the Constitution from all enemies.

Scott doesn't understand a lot of things. Treason is an act. Not an opinion you make on a forum.

 

[ScottL]

Was just a matter of time before the Troll reappeared in here.

 

[quantumleap]

You didn't answer my question. So I'll answer it for you.

No one in this country will falsely accuse THOUSANDS of members of our government of conspiring TO DESTROY IT, as that is what the 9/11 mass murderers intend to do, and then turn around and call himself a PATRIOT.

Even if THOUSANDS of members of our government were being accused of being involved in something like this it wouldn't constitute treason. The principle is that it is treason to act against the country. THOUSANDS of members of the government does not constitute the country.

Here is the Wikipedia definition of treason:
"Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour."

It mentions nothing about a few THOUSAND members of the government of a country who may be acting against the better interests of the country.

THOUSANDS of members of the German government acted against the better good of the country. Would it be treason for a German citizen to criticize Hitler's government at the time?

 

[barman]

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[ScottL]

QL let's just agree to disagree. The fact is this article is much ado about nothing. And as far as the Germans go, who knows? It really doesn't matter unless you want to claim treason is a 'Thing' and not a 'Law.' For our purposes here Treason can only be judged under US Law. And I guess in this case both Nimue, and the subjects of this article are innocent.

But I'll stand by what I posted in #33. Someone who believes as Nimue does about our gov't IMO surrenders his right to judge others and nitpick about what happens in a US courtroom. People who reason RATIONALLY know foreign terrorists orchestrated 9/11.

 

[quantumleap]

QL let's just agree to disagree. The fact is this article is much ado about nothing. And as far as the Germans go, who knows? It really doesn't matter unless you want to claim treason is a 'Thing' and not a 'Law.' For our purposes here Treason can only be judged under US Law. And I guess in this case both Nimue, and the subjects of this article are innocent.

But I'll stand by what I posted in #33. Someone who believes as Nimue does about our gov't IMO surrenders his right to judge others and nitpick about what happens in a US courtroom. People who reason RATIONALLY know foreign terrorists orchestrated 9/11.

Sounds like a plan Scott. Thanks for being civil in our discussion.

:toast:

 

[ScottL]

And you as well. Much Respect

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