Why are Grantt, Lander,etc against freeing the Iraqi people?

[DannyMay]

The U.S. gov't has offered about 15 excuses for this war in hopes that each different excuse will get some supporters for this unjust war.

It is funny how a war over WMD so quickly become " Operation Iraqi Freedom". It is pretty clear that the supporters of this war dont even know why we are fighting it.

 

[KMAN]

Damn Danny give me a chance, you gave me 5 minutes to respond before the first comment now I only get an hour! I don't have time to hang out on this site all day like some do.

How did you answer my question?????? By saying that you are not a Liberal or by saying the war is not about freeing the Iraqi people. If freeing the Iraqi people has nothing to do with it, please tell us what it is all about and please provide your sources of proof. Thanks.

As far as my concern for the Iraqi people in the 80's......I graduated High School in 1990 so I didn't even know what was going on in Iraq.


Why were you LMAO????? Did I miss something?

KMAN

 

[radiofreecostarica]

1st: Disarm Iraq
2nd: Dethrone Saddam
3rd: Iraqi Liberation

 

[DannyMay]

I didn't even know what was going on in Iraq.



Let me inform you of what was going on in IRaq in the 80's. They were fighting a war against Iran ( The most evil regime in the world according to the U.S. back then ). Therefore, our gov't loved Saddam and GAVE HIM THE CHEMICAL WEAPONS HE USED TO KILL THE KURDS WITH.

Then in the 90's OUR GOV'T forced sanction on the Iraqi people in hopes that if we made them suffer enough they would take Saddam out themselves.

Yeah, Our Gov't is real concerned with the welfare of the Iraqi people.

 

[DannyMay]

here is how I answered it.


I am against this war because I do not believe we should be going around the world deciding who is evil or good, and then removing other countries leaders because we feel like it. That is why I am against this war.

 

[radiofreecostarica]

being anti-war has very little to do with political beliefs when you think about it. At some protests, there were catholic priests, nuns; there were middle class families, truck drivers, Vietnam Veterans etc.

Are all of the aforementioned people liberal?

 

"OK, So far here are the responses to the question:

Lander - Like a Liberal always does, copies another person's message into their message and responds to it instead of the actual question."

If you were capable of properly wording a question and properly directing that question towards me then I would surely have answered your precious little query, but you when you ask, "Why are Grantt, Lander,etc against freeing the Iraqi people?" then is appears to be a broad question directed to nobody inpaticular. If you were capable of asking something to the effect of, "Lander, why are you against freeing the Iraqi people?" then you would have gotten an immediate answer.

It has nothing to do with "liberalism" it has to do with your improper usage of the English language.

btw - Your answer is that I am not against the "freeing of the Iraqi" people, but our president CLEARLY said that "the UN shall NOT determine US National Security". This clearly implies that the war is just that - a matter of national security.

Had he stated from the begging that this was a "mission of liberation" then perhaps my view would be different, but he didn't - he used 4 different versions of why this war is "just". IMO this means that he was doing whatever he had to sell the war - aka "manufacturing war".

Our President doesn't give a damn about the Iraqi people - don't you forget that.

 

[grantt]

Hanson have you ever left your county?
I will also wager that you have not read a single book in the last year?

 

[DirkDigAlert]

And what countries have you lived in Grantt ?

 

[grantt]

Dirk another guy whos never been off the tractor.

 

[DirkDigAlert]

LOL...a tractor?....funny stuff Grantt

You on the other hand need to turn off your computer, close the door to the tiny closet you rent from you parents, and get out and see the world.


Not the cyber, hate filled world you live in. The REAL world.

Why are you so unwilling to answer such a simple question ? Even the ultra elitist Lander would be willing to answer.

 

[Skyweasel]

Well if we kill all of the Iraqi people they will definitely be free, free of the dictator the CIA installed to rule them so many years ago, free of the dictator who chummed around with Donald Rumsfeld, free of the evil satan who dared to defy his masters. And why are we after this evil, monstrous, horrible, evildoer of rotten evildom? Well he's got wmd's that no one can find and that he never uses, and he's still got the chemical weapons we sold him, and he's obviously in league with Bin Laden, who happens to hate his guts and his country and his socialist government and his disregard for clerical law, but hey who's counting details? And why did Bin Laden attack us? Because he hates our Freedom! Well, actually, because we have had troops stationed in the middle of his holy land for 10 years with designs on the rest of the arab world, but who's counting details again? It's better to proceed from a false set of assumptions to a false set of conclusions, start bombing and killing people who are innocent and instigate the middle east takeover plan and blame the straw man of the "liberals," whoever they are, for whatever goes wrong.

 

[KMAN]

DannyMay - I just want to make sure I understand what you are saying.

You are saying that we should let Saddam continue to kill the Iraqi people, continue to build up his WMD, ignore the UN resolutions and continue to support terrorism, and risk Saddam giving these weapons to terrorists groups inside of Iraq who have Al Queda connections (which by the way was the group that attacked the WTC) because it is none or our business. Is that correct?


Lander - So you are saying because I asked the question like this "Why are Grantt, Lander,etc against freeing the Iraqi people?" instead of like this ""Lander, why are you against freeing the Iraqi people?" , you were not going to answer it. Come on.... That's the lamest excuse I've heard. Especially for someone who has voiced his opinion so strongly on this subject. I read your answer but is it possible that their could be multiple reasons for this war or does it have to be one or the other? Also, I'm sure that if this war was going to kill thousands of inncoent Iraqi people or make life worse for the Iraqi people then we may not being doing this. I find it hard to believe that Bush could care less if the Iraqi people live or die and I don't think anyone can say for sure unless they were actually President Bush. All of your reasoning for not being for the war is your opinion. The reason I am for the war is because of facts. Just like I told DannyMay, Saddam has murdered and tortured his own people (could you imagine living in Iraq) he is continuing to disobey the useless UN, he is continuing to obtain chemical and biological weapons.......I just don't see how getting this guy out of power is a bad thing.

KMAN

 

"Lander - So you are saying because I asked the question like this "Why are Grantt, Lander,etc against freeing the Iraqi people?" instead of like this ""Lander, why are you against freeing the Iraqi people?" , you were not going to answer it. Come on.... That's the lamest excuse I've heard. Especially for someone who has voiced his opinion so strongly on this subject."
Did I or did I not just answer you. I answer every question directed towards me, so your 'lamest excuse' reasoning is pretty weak. I will reiterate, if you EXPECT an answer from me, then ask me a direct question - I have other things to do than spend time interepting your misuage of the English language.

"I read your answer but is it possible that their could be multiple reasons for this war or does it have to be one or the other?"
Indeed there could be a 1000 "reasons" purposed. If you reread my post you will clearly see that my biggest problem is with Bush's spinning of reasons of why we NEED to bomb the fuking hell out of Iraq.

1. first he said "National Security" - no link was established
2. then he said "WMD" - unproven, ever with the forgery
3. violation of UN resolution - Isreal has violated over 60 resolutions, but we just have them 10bn in aid ... perhaps Iraq deserves equal treatment?
4. Regime change - unconstitutional, but hey - why not?
5. liberation - the whole time it was about "defending ourselves" then after he declared war he says it's for "liberation". liberation of what? or life?
please, the economy IS HORRIBLE - nobody would spend 75bn+ (more to come) on "liberation"

"Also, I'm sure that if this war was going to kill thousands of inncoent Iraqi people or make life worse for the Iraqi people then we may not being doing this."
You mean like how we GAVE him (Rumsfeld was there) chemicals to kill thousands of Iranians?
Maybe if we stopped producing and distributing chemical weapons I might buy this one.

"I find it hard to believe that Bush could care less if the Iraqi people live or die and I don't think anyone can say for sure unless they were actually President Bush."
I don't. He didn't do anything to increase aid, only push for stronger sanctions to starve them out - harding "caring about the Iraqi people".

"All of your reasoning for not being for the war is your opinion. The reason I am for the war is because of facts."
Riiiight

Go back and read my posts - reference after reference after refernce ... you spew out your beliefs as if they were the word of God -- who's all about opinion here?

"he is continuing to obtain chemical and biological weapons......."
You missed the news 2 weeks ago. Bush's statements in his "Address to the Nation" regarding Iraq getting "uranium enrichments" was proved to be supported by only a forged document (which CIA director George Tenet advised him not to use). More of your "facts"?

"I just don't see how getting this guy out of power is a bad thing."
Perhaps not, but this wasn't the case until reasons #4 and #5 ... when it comes to war & thousands of deaths I don't think sitting around and waiting for a reason that sounds "good enough" is the way to go. We should all be more demanding of the truth from our "elected" officials.

 

[DannyMay]

You are saying that we should let Saddam continue to kill the Iraqi people, continue to build up his WMD, ignore the UN resolutions and continue to support terrorism, and risk Saddam giving these weapons to terrorists groups inside of Iraq who have Al Queda connections (which by the way was the group that attacked the WTC) because it is none or our business. Is that correct?


Good job. When one excuse doesnt work, make up other excuses. There has been no connection whatsoever between Saddam and Al Queda. He is ignoring the UN - JUST LIKE YOU ARE BY SUPPORTING THIS WAR. We still have found no WMD, just like the inspectors didnt. Good excuses though. By the way it has been 20 hours now and you still have not answered the question. Why am I not surprised?

 

[KMAN]

Here is more eveidence about the Iraq/ Al Queda connections.

Thursday, April 03, 2003

WASHINGTON — Evidence has been found in the Kurdish-controlled regions of northern Iraq that the Islamic militant group Ansar al-Islam was working on three types of chlorine gas and ricin and has ties to Al Qaeda, U.S. officials told Fox News.


You guys are in serious denial.

KMAN

 

[KMAN]

DannyMay -Are you just ignoring my posts? I already told you that I was in High School in the 80's!!!!! HELLO!!!!!!!


KMAN

 

KMAN,
Al Queda exists in the US too.
Ask your buddy df1bets about the Lackawanna Six.

They exist in NEARLY EVERY country.

 

[KMAN]

Lander - And we are cracking down on them to. However it's harder when people like you complain about the government tracking your email or where you go on the internet because it invades your privacy however it has never effected me.

I really doubt Bush supports terrorism like Saddam does.

KMAN

 

[corey]

As stated, this war has absolutely nothing to do with freeing the Iraqi people.

I doubt anyone here would want to see Hussein around for even another day, but I personally wouldn't want to see GWB as president for another day either.