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Good points! But to throw some economic perspective in to this just like you all love...

China doesn't buy our debt to lend us money. No one buys our debt to lend us money. They buy our debt to save... it's the most risk free savings in the world. China puts our USD in to our treasuries because that is the most useful thing they can do with that USD. They aren't going to store it in a bank vault, they aren't going to spend it on American made goods at a higher price than we bought it from them.

The US does not rely whatsoever on China buying our debt. In fact the reason why China has so much of our money in the first place is because of our debt.

Go figure!

LOL @ at a pseudo intellectual. Besides his usual government propaganda diarrhea debt is no debt bullshit, unsurprisingly, he missed the point completely.

Maybe the Chinese realize that US Treasury is not a saving but a giant ponzi scheme, it's likely they realize that investing on real products and services is a better investment than relying on government central plan "shovel ready jobs" economy. They're slowly allocating their savings to private sector is good thing for the economy, it's benefiting everyone. REAL demand-supply will ultimately prevail in any economy.
 

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Of course it is. The Dollar is the preferred trade exchange for oil. Thus the Dollar is the global currency. We own a printing press. Therefore, if we go down so does everyone else. In a vacuum your logic works, but we dont live in a vacuum. The only alternative is to inflate. Im curious to see what happens to the 2 Trillion in reserves, what happens to the phoney CPI when the economy gets going again? Besides, if we are going to be stuck in a Keynesian box, China also buys Treasuries to keep their Yuan lower thus making their products cheaper.

The dollar is the global currency because we are the most stable and robust economy in the world. Losing the reserve currency status would not change how much we produce and consume. There is no one else in the world that can consume the amount American's can consume. Inflation is always going to happen as long as we target growth. You are living in an imaginary world where your thoughts might sound logical... but when applied to reality, they are destructive. Which is exactly why no one in the world does what you are advocating.

Greece is a perfect example of a country that does not have a printing press. Either the EU bails them out by printing money or they ditch the EU so they can print their own money.
 

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The dollar is the global currency because we are the most stable and robust economy in the world. Losing the reserve currency status would not change how much we produce and consume. There is no one else in the world that can consume the amount American's can consume. Inflation is always going to happen as long as we target growth. You are living in an imaginary world where your thoughts might sound logical... but when applied to reality, they are destructive. Which is exactly why no one in the world does what you are advocating.

Greece is a perfect example of a country that does not have a printing press. Either the EU bails them out by printing money or they ditch the EU so they can print their own money.

Two-thirds of the world trade dollars for oil. Dollars. Those are American. Do you realize what would happen if they suddenly stopped? No, of course you dont. This is by far the dumbest thing you have said to date. You are clearly a well versed Keynesian but have no grasp on how the real world works. The windfall we get out of the recycling of Petrodollars is basically what keeps our heads above water. Without it? Wow, just wow you cant grasp this. Take a second to think what exactly is going on, when we recycle petrol-dollars. We create dollars out of thin air. We then require other nations to accept them for OPEC oil. Once they buy their oil with dollars (of course they had to do business in the US to get them) they give it to OPEC for oil. OPEC then turns around and reinvests it back to the US. Its such a phenomenal scheme and the rest of the world is catching on. Oil prices if we lose that reserve currency will sky rocket because the dollars value will collapse. People bitch about driving and paying for gas @ 3.50 per gallon can you imagine what would happen if we were paying what Europe is paying now for gas? 7$ a gallon? Commerce would start grinding to a crawl if that happened. Imports can be paid for in dollars, how many nations can say that about their own currency? None. Commodities would go sky high forcing businesses to cut back and what goes first when they cut back? You think unemployment is bad now? And to think people think these wars are over some dude hiding in a cave who wants to rob you of your freedom??? Ive said it before here and i'll say it again, this governemnt is high machs, they are doing all they can to keep us propped at the top, ironically where we have been since brenton Woods and even more so when Nixon closed the window back in '71. Your statement is so asinine i might use it as my signature.
 

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Two-thirds of the world trade dollars for oil. Dollars. Those are American. Do you realize what would happen if they suddenly stopped? No, of course you dont. This is by far the dumbest thing you have said to date. You are clearly a well versed Keynesian but have no grasp on how the real world works. The windfall we get out of the recycling of Petrodollars is basically what keeps our heads above water. Without it? Wow, just wow you cant grasp this. Take a second to think what exactly is going on, when we recycle petrol-dollars. We create dollars out of thin air. We then require other nations to accept them for OPEC oil. Once they buy their oil with dollars (of course they had to do business in the US to get them) they give it to OPEC for oil. OPEC then turns around and reinvests it back to the US. Its such a phenomenal scheme and the rest of the world is catching on. Oil prices if we lose that reserve currency will sky rocket because the dollars value will collapse. People bitch about driving and paying for gas @ 3.50 per gallon can you imagine what would happen if we were paying what Europe is paying now for gas? 7$ a gallon? Commerce would start grinding to a crawl if that happened. Imports can be paid for in dollars, how many nations can say that about their own currency? None. Commodities would go sky high forcing businesses to cut back and what goes first when they cut back? You think unemployment is bad now? And to think people think these wars are over some dude hiding in a cave who wants to rob you of your freedom??? Ive said it before here and i'll say it again, this governemnt is high machs, they are doing all they can to keep us propped at the top, ironically where we have been since brenton Woods and even more so when Nixon closed the window back in '71. Your statement is so asinine i might use it as my signature.

You aren't understanding what the reserve status even means. Just because oil is "priced" in USD doesn't mean you need USD in order to buy oil. The reason why countries have so much of our currency in reserve is simply because we run the largest trade deficit in the world. We are the largest consumer in the world and the largest producer in the world. Losing reserve status doesn't mean we will produce any less or consume any less, it doesn't mean China will stop accepting USD in exchange for their goods. It simply means prices throughout international trade will be denominated in another currency or basket of currencies. This means we will be dependent on the exchange rate of our dollar for another currency. It does not mean countries will drop the USD. Where are they going to drop it?? There is only one thing you can do with USD throughout the world and that is to buy USD denominated assets.

And this is just a hypothetical. The IMF can make any threats they want but there is absolutely no viable option out there to replace the USD as reserve currency, simply because we are the only country with an economy big enough to handle being the reserve currency. Other countries can try to team up and create some basket of currencies, but that would be a disaster. No one will ever trust the Japanese or Chinese, and the Euro is an absolute mess right now. No matter how you slice it, America is still the most dominant and robust nation on earth.

Losing the reserve status will not change that.
 

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U.S. Films Win China Access as Xi Wraps Up Tour With Import Vow


By William McQuillen and Alan Ohnsman - Feb 18, 2012 1:06 AM CT



Xi Jinping, vice president of China, right, speaks with Jerry Brown, governor of California, during a visit to the China Shipping terminal in Los Angeles, California, U.S Photographer: Tim Rue/Bloomberg

U.S. filmmakers won improved access to China’s $2.1 billion box-office market in an agreement that resolves a five-year dispute between the two countries at the World Trade Organization.

The deal, announced yesterday as Chinese Vice President Xi Jinping wrapped up his U.S. visit, will increase the number of American films shown in China and gives producers such as Walt Disney Co. (DIS), Viacom Inc (VIAB). and Time Warner Inc. (TWX) “fairer” slice of ticket receipts, according to a White House statement.

Trade dominated the agenda of the visit by Xi, who is expected to be China’s next leader. The Asian nation is the second-biggest U.S. trade partner, and two-way commerce rose 10 percent last year to $503.2 billion. Xi’s tour included stops in Washington for talks with with President Barack Obama; Iowa, where China agreed to buy $4.3 billion of soybeans; and to the Port of Los Angeles, the biggest entry point for Chinese goods.

The movie agreement will support “thousands of American jobs in and around the film industry,” U.S. Vice President Joe Biden said in the e-mailed statement.

Access to China’s film market has been a point of friction. The Chinese government last year failed to meet a WTO deadline to lift restrictions on U.S. movies. The industry is a key export for the U.S., which enjoys a $12 billion global trade surplus on films and other audiovisual products, the White House said.

China is one of the world’s fastest growing film markets. In 2010, the Asia Pacific box office grew by 21 percent, the Motion Picture Association of America said in February 2011. China accounted for 40 percent of the growth. In 2011, China’s box office reached $2.1 billion, the MPAA said yesterday, without saying what the percentage increase was.


3-D, IMAX
Under the agreement, China will ease restrictions on formats such as 3-D and IMAX, enhance commercial terms for filmmakers and open up the state’s monopoly on distribution, the White House statement said.

China allows only 20 foreign films into its market each year. Some Hollywood movies get around the quota if they are Chinese co-productions or if some filming takes place in the country.

The MPAA, which represents Hollywood’s biggest film studios, hailed the market-opening agreement. The U.S. had complained to the WTO that China was violating obligations made when it joined the body in 2001.


50% Increase
The deal “represents a significant opportunity,” Disney CEO Robert A. Iger said. Warner Bros. CEO Barry Meyer said: “This begins a new era in the history of our relationship.”

The MPAA said the agreement would let 50 percent more U.S. films into the Chinese market.

“We will further increase our imports from other countries, in light of our social and economic development and consumer demand,” Xi, 58, said at a luncheon yesterday, joined by Biden and California officials. “We will actively expand imports from the U.S., including from L.A.”

The U.S. exported than $100 billion of products and services to China in 2011, Biden said.

Xi’s comments came before an announcement that DreamWorks Animation SKG Inc. (DWA), creator of the “Kung Fu Panda” films, formed a venture with Chinese state-owned companies to develop entertainment projects there.

The agreement with China Media Capital (CHMDCZ) and two other groups will create Oriental DreamWorks. DreamWorks Animation will own about 45 percent of the company, according to a statement.


Oriental DreamWorks
Oriental DreamWorks will be capitalized with cash and intellectual property valued at $330 million, the companies said. China Media Capital (CHMDCZ), along with Shanghai Media Group (SMGCMZ) and Shanghai Alliance Investment Ltd. (SALZ), will own about 55 percent. They plan to begin operations in Shanghai this year.

“This is a huge bet for the future for us,” Jeffrey Katzenberg, DreamWorks Animation’s chief executive officer, said in an interview. “If we succeed, this opportunity is greater than anything else we could be doing. It’s a long-term bet, but it is in what unquestionably will be the largest entertainment market in the world.”

DreamWorks Animation, based in Glendale, California, rose 0.9 percent to $19.52 yesterday in New York. The stock has gained 17.6 percent this year.

Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who accompanied Xi on his visit to the city, said China’s ZTE Corp. (000063) telecom company will expand business there and across California. The city also plans to open a trade and tourism office in Chongqing, China, after last year setting up one in Beijing.


Disagreements
Obama told Xi China’s yuan remains undervalued relative to the dollar. The U.S. also disagrees with China’s decision to veto United Nations Security Council calls for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to step down, Biden said.

Xi is “absolutely responsive when we disagree -- it’s a clear statement of disagreement,” Biden told reporters.

California Governor Jerry Brown and Villaraigosa joined Xi for a tour of China Shipping (1138) (Group) Co.’s Los Angeles cargo terminal. China Shipping is doubling the size of the facility to 142 acres as part of a $121 million expansion to be completed in 2014.

After leaving Los Angeles, Xi flies to Ireland for an official visit. He then travels to Turkey to meet with Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan in Ankara on Feb. 21 before returning to China.

To contact the reporters on this story: Alan Ohnsman in Los Angeles at aohnsman@bloomberg.net; William McQuillen in Washington at bmcquillen@bloomberg.net

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Paul Tighe at ptighe@bloomberg.net
 

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The dollar is the global currency because we are the most stable and robust economy in the world. Losing the reserve currency status would not change how much we produce and consume. There is no one else in the world that can consume the amount American's can consume. Inflation is always going to happen as long as we target growth. You are living in an imaginary world where your thoughts might sound logical... but when applied to reality, they are destructive. Which is exactly why no one in the world does what you are advocating.

Greece is a perfect example of a country that does not have a printing press. Either the EU bails them out by printing money or they ditch the EU so they can print their own money.

The only thing we really produce here anymore are dumb fat people. That be about it.
 

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You aren't understanding what the reserve status even means. Just because oil is "priced" in USD doesn't mean you need USD in order to buy oil. The reason why countries have so much of our currency in reserve is simply because we run the largest trade deficit in the world. We are the largest consumer in the world and the largest producer in the world. Losing reserve status doesn't mean we will produce any less or consume any less, it doesn't mean China will stop accepting USD in exchange for their goods. It simply means prices throughout international trade will be denominated in another currency or basket of currencies. This means we will be dependent on the exchange rate of our dollar for another currency. It does not mean countries will drop the USD. Where are they going to drop it?? There is only one thing you can do with USD throughout the world and that is to buy USD denominated assets.

And this is just a hypothetical. The IMF can make any threats they want but there is absolutely no viable option out there to replace the USD as reserve currency, simply because we are the only country with an economy big enough to handle being the reserve currency. Other countries can try to team up and create some basket of currencies, but that would be a disaster. No one will ever trust the Japanese or Chinese, and the Euro is an absolute mess right now. No matter how you slice it, America is still the most dominant and robust nation on earth.

Losing the reserve status will not change that.

Seriously, what exactly do we produce here anymore? You keep mentioning it yet manufacturing jobs have gotten destroyed in the last 10 years+.
 

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The following are 55 interesting facts about the U.S. economy in 2012....
#1 As you read this, there are more than 6 million mortgages in the United States that are overdue.
#2 In January, U.S. home prices were the lowest that they have been in more than a decade.
#3 In Florida right now, some drivers are paying nearly 6 dollars for a gallon of gas.
#4 On average, you could buy about 10 gallons of gas for an hour of work back in the mid-90s. Today, the average hour of work will get you less than 6 gallons of gas.
#5 Sadly, 43 percent of all American families spend more than they earn each year.
#6 According to Gallup, the unemployment rate was at 8.3% in mid-January but rose to 9.0% in mid-February.
#7 The percentage of working age Americans that have jobs is not increasing. The employment to population ratio has stayed very steady (hovering between 58% and 59%) since the beginning of 2010.
#8 If you gathered together all of the workers that are "officially" unemployed in the United States into one nation, they would constitute the 68th largest country in the entire world.
#9 When Barack Obama first took office, the number of "long-term unemployed workers" in the United States was approximately 2.6 million. Today, that number is sitting at 5.6 million.
#10 The average duration of unemployment in the United States is hovering close to an all-time record high.
#11 According to Reuters, approximately 23.7 million American workers are either unemployed or underemployed right now.
#12 There are about 88 million working age Americans that are not employed and that are not looking for employment. That is an all-time record high.
#13 According to CareerBuilder, only 23 percent of American companies plan to hire more employees in 2012.
#14 Back in the year 2000, about 20 percent of all jobs in America were manufacturing jobs. Today, about 5 percent of all jobs in America are manufacturing jobs.
#15 The United States has lost an average of approximately 50,000 manufacturing jobs a month since China joined the World Trade Organization in 2001.
#16 Amazingly, more than 56,000 manufacturing facilities in the United States have been shut down since 2001.

#17 According to author Paul Osterman, about 20 percent of all U.S. adults are currently working jobs that pay poverty-level wages.
#18 During the Obama administration, worker health insurance costs have risen by 23 percent.
#19 An all-time record 49.9 million Americans do not have any health insurance at all at this point, and the percentage of Americans covered by employer-based health plans has fallen for 11 years in a row.
#20 According to the New York Times, approximately 100 million Americans are either living in poverty or in "the fretful zone just above it".
#21 In the United States today, corporate profits are at an all-time high. The percentage of Americans that are living in "extreme poverty" is also at an all-time high according to the U.S. Census Bureau.
#22 In the United States today, the wealthiest one percent of all Americans have a greater net worth than the bottom 90 percent combined.
#23 The poorest 50 percent of all Americans now collectively own just 2.5% of all the wealth in the United States.
#24 The number of children living in poverty in the state of California has increased by 30 percent since 2007.
#25 According to the National Center for Children in Poverty, 36.4% of all children that live in Philadelphia are living in poverty, 40.1% of all children that live in Atlanta are living in poverty, 52.6% of all children that live in Cleveland are living in poverty and 53.6% of all children that live in Detroit are living in poverty.
#26 Since Barack Obama entered the White House, the number of Americans on food stamps has increased from 32 million to 46 million.
#27 As the economy has slowed down, so has the number of marriages. According to a Pew Research Center analysis, only 51 percent of all Americans that are at least 18 years old are currently married. Back in 1960, 72 percent of all U.S. adults were married.
#28 In 1984, the median net worth of households led by someone 65 or older was 10 times larger than the median net worth of households led by someone 35 or younger. Today, the median net worth of households led by someone 65 or older is 47 times larger than the median net worth of households led by someone 35 or younger.
#29 If you can believe it, 37 percent of all U.S. households that are led by someone under the age of 35 have a net worth of zero or less than zero.
#30 After adjusting for inflation, U.S. college students are borrowing about twice as much money as they did a decade ago.
#31 According to the Student Loan Debt Clock, total student loan debt in the United States will surpass the 1 trillion dollar mark at some point in 2012. If you went out right now and starting spending one dollar every single second, it would take you more than 31,000 years to spend one trillion dollars.
#32 Today, 46% of all Americans carry a credit card balance from month to month.
#33 Incredibly, one out of every seven Americans has at least 10 credit cards.
#34 The average interest rate on a credit card that is carrying a balance is now up to 13.10 percent.
#35 Of the U.S. households that do have credit card debt, the average amount of credit card debt is an astounding $15,799.
#36 Overall, Americans are carrying a grand total of $798 billion in credit card debt. If you were alive when Jesus was born and you spent a million dollars every single day since then, you still would not have spent $798 billion by now.
#37 It may be hard to believe, but the truth is that consumer debt in America has increased by a whopping 1700% since 1971.
#38 At this point, about 70 percent of all auto purchases in the United States involve an auto loan.
#39 In the United States today, 45 percent of all auto loans are made to subprime borrowers.
#40 Mortgage debt as a percentage of GDP has more than tripled since 1955.
#41 According to a recent study conducted by the BlackRock Investment Institute, the ratio of household debt to personal income in the United States is now 154 percent.
#42 To get the same purchasing power that you got out of $20.00 back in 1970 you would have to have more than $116 today.
#43 When Barack Obama first took office, an ounce of gold was going for about $850. Today an ounce of gold costs more than $1700 an ounce.
#44 The number of Americans that are not paying federal incomes taxes is at an all-time high.
#45 A staggering 48.5% of all Americans live in a household that receives some form of government benefits. Back in 1983, that number was below 30 percent.
#46 The amount of money that the federal government gives directly to Americans has increased by 32 percent since Barack Obama entered the White House.
#47 During 2012, the U.S. government must roll over nearly 3 trillion dollars of old debt.
#48 The U.S. debt to GDP ratio has now reached 101 percent.
#49 At the moment, the U.S. national debt is sitting at a grand total of $15,419,800,222,325.15.
#50 The U.S. national debt is now more than 22 times larger than it was when Jimmy Carter became president.
#51 During the Obama administration, the U.S. government has accumulated more debt than it did from the time that George Washington took office to the time that Bill Clinton took office.
#52 If the federal government began right at this moment to repay the U.S. national debt at a rate of one dollar per second, it would take over 440,000 years to pay off the national debt.
#53 If Bill Gates gave every single penny of his fortune to the U.S. government, it would only cover the U.S. budget deficit for about 15 days.
#54 Right now, the U.S. national debt is increasing by about 150 million dollars every single hour.
#55 Spending by the federal government accounted for about 2 percent of GDP back in 1800. It accounted for 23.8 percent in 2011, and according to former U.S. Comptroller General David M. Walker, it will account for 36.8 percent of GDP by 2040.
 

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