Who is correct? Tate or Guesser? Is either group Jews/Muslims BOTH a Race and Religion?

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Race is biological. and Jewish is NOT a race. it's a religion
when a person converts, let's say to marry another, they are changing their religion, not their Race.

i completely agree. Defining biological requirements is not black and white. Feel the biological traits are not profound enough to classify them as a race.
 
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betall,, your awsome! and just the same, I am very happy for the discussion,,

here is the logic of it,,,

can you be jewish and not study judaism ? yes

but the FACT that you CAN BE JEWISH and practice Judaism means I am correct,, thats it,,, because this scenerio CAN BE TRUE, makes my arguement correct.

muslims are muslims,,, that is it,,,

because the supreme court declared jews a race defines my arguement as true

I'm Catholic, it's Not My Race ... it's my religion

I am a Italian American Male = considered as a White male
 

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correct, however in the Torah if you are born from a jewish female, you are a jew.(indicating race)

and you guys are not considering the Supreme court ruled they are a race,, that single issue negates your points betall and Rib
 

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Jews are a race. Judaism is a religion.

Muslim is a religion. Way too many different types of people from around the world are Muslim to call it a race

Muslim is not a religion. Islam is the religion. Muslim refers to followers of Islam.
 

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thnaks for chiming in Joe, there you have it.............went from a thread asking whether the Jews are a race to proclaiming Islam as a political cult


lol

he gets Bonus Points for inferring that Scientologists worship a loving God.....


.....named L Ron Hubbard
 
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OK Guys, let Fester clear all this shit up.

"race" is not a helpful term, as scientists and sociologists can't agree 100% what it even means when it comes to the human "race."

The question is, when it comes to the term "jew" or "jewish," does it have both religious and genetic aspects - and the answer is undoubtedly yes.

One can be genetically a "jew," meaning that you are a descendant of (what is now) Israel's original inhabitants, but not a "jew" in terms of religion -
or you could be both. You can be a "jew" or "jewish" in terms of religion, but not genetically a descendant from ancient Israel.

Now, scientists do argue over whether or not all ethnic Jewish populations across the globe are genetically homogeneous, and share a common
middle eastern ancestry. I'm not qualified to answer that question, but clearly many/most ethnic Jews do descend from ancient Israel:
http://forward.com/news/israel/175912/jews-a-race-genetic-theory-comes-under-fierce-atta/
 

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My God, modern PC liberalism will be the death of the West.

Islam is a political cult spread through conquest and violence. How can anyone call that a religion?

Don't be so quick to dismiss. That's how Christianity originally spread the word and it's become pretty popular.
 

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To the topic at hand...Jewish is a religion only, by my definition of race. Sounds like that's up for debate.

Where the argument comes in...some Jewish people/communities (and I can see the same for other religions) may identify as Jewish seemingly making their race "Jewish". Like many who were born into Jewish families, but don't practice the faith still consider themselves Jewish. Maybe its like how we call all tissue paper Kleenex...its easier to explain that way, but doesn't mean it's actually Kleenex.
 
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Don't be so quick to dismiss. That's how Christianity originally spread the word and it's become pretty popular.

Not true at all, as a matter of fact the early church father Tertullian said the opposite - that the early church spread because of persecution and martyrdom.
As the famous quote said: "The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church"


You are misjudging the "Christian" (defensive) crusades against Islam. And to say that's how Christianity originally spread is ridiculous - but probably
en-vogue to say nowadays, with the drive-by ignorant masses.

 

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---I still can't quote easily on IE, but talking to Fester---

Calm down...it was meant as an overreaction joke to Joe's usual overreaction. And yes, I was wrecklessly referencing the Crusades.
 
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---I still can't quote easily on IE, but talking to Fester---

Calm down...it was meant as an overreaction joke to Joe's usual overreaction. And yes, I was wrecklessly referencing the Crusades.

Calm down? Is that supposed to be funny?
 

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Could you not a sense a wee bit of sarcasm in "Christianity has become pretty popular" or are you just being overly serious about the Crusades from 1000 years ago? Too soon?
 

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Your banter bores me, frankly.

Then don't respond!!!!! Best fucking tip I can give you guys with your back-and-forth BS all day. Everybody feels they have to respond to everything. Relax...calm down...laugh more...enjoy.

Damn you slow-days-in-the-office make me participate in this shit.
 
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Then don't respond!!!!! Best fucking tip I can give you guys with your back-and-forth BS all day. Everybody feels they have to respond to everything. Relax...calm down...laugh more...enjoy.

Damn you slow-days-in-the-office make me participate in this shit.

Um, I made a reasonable response to your post where I was *supposed* to read your sarcasm, and you started with the stupid quips. Look in the mirror ass-clown.
 

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