Look, it's either the taking of a life or it isn't. And if he truly believes it's a life, then the founding fathers made it very clear in the Declaration of Independence that all men have the right to "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." If he believes it isn't a life, how can any libertarian allow states to violate a woman's right to choose what she does with her body?
One again, it's not about what the President allows...it's not up to one man. The Constitution is the law of the land and in Dr. Paul's opinion, it is an issue not addressed in the Constitution and is therefore a power left to the states/people. Personally I think it should be a human right, although I think at some point in the pregnancy it should be considered too late unless there is good reason to believe the mothers health is at stake. However, I still prefer to see government stay totally out of the decision, including state governments. I support Ron Paul for President nonetheless.
You know what dude.... I do realize that it is impossible to truly win an arguement, only persuade one to see the reasoning that led you to a particular stance. However, persuasion is particularly difficult in a medium such as a posting board. It's more like a flock of birds each crying and squawking. The birds of a feather flock together, and that's that. Not a lot of persuading going on. Witty banter, yes; informative exchanges, occasionally; pissing contests, often; persuasion, very rarely.
What I'm trying to say here is I could really care less who you vote for. I'm not trying to change your mind. I don't really care. However I'm not sure how your thoughts are lining up. It's not that difficult...He's a former OB/GYN (not a fucking lawyer btw) who is prolife personally, he doesn't think the federal government should tell anyone what to, and he thinks the matter is best resolved on the local level? If that's not clear enough, I think you need to work on your English. I know I'm being a bit of an ass, but there it is.
Also, TR. A president most famous for a cute story, national parks, and cuddly bears do to his conservation work. A blue blood Republican from New York. Famous for his Cuban campaign in the heyday of American imperialism, in particular his Rough Rider regiment. He was the trust buster as I recall breaking up rich bastard monopolies in the name of competition. He is also the progenitor of one of my favorite quotes, "Walk quietly, and carry a big stick." Now what all this shit has to do with the price of tea in China is beyond fucking me.
Here's a link to some info if you need it. http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/tr26.html
Now finally I think you need to get your shit straight. Abortion has been going on in one form or another for as long as women have been having babies. Now I'm not the sharpest tool in the wood shed but I'm pretty sure that covers the era of the founding fathers. You think it might have been mentioned somewhere if the wanted it a certain way?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion
& yeah I know it's frigg'n wikipedia, but hey it's a decent write up, so I don't want to hear any...Oh wikipedia font of all user inputted blah blah blah
Finally, it's been awhile since I've posted. Welcome to the Rx.
Perhaps we can be friends.
Oh, and since I can't seem to get an answer elsewhere.... I have a Pinny account. I live in the states. If I deposit with Western Union or mail a check, am I going to have an issue? If so recommendations are welcome.
Man the air smells nice around here. That must mean that litte biotch Josey ain't around. I know I know it probably won't last long, it's just kinda nice. Almost civil even.
What I'm trying to say here is I could really care less who you vote for. I'm not trying to change your mind. I don't really care. However I'm not sure how your thoughts are lining up. It's not that difficult...He's a former OB/GYN (not a fucking lawyer btw) who is prolife personally, he doesn't think the federal government should tell anyone what to, and he thinks the matter is best resolved on the local level? If that's not clear enough, I think you need to work on your English. I know I'm being a bit of an ass, but there it is.
Also, TR. A president most famous for a cute story, national parks, and cuddly bears do to his conservation work. A blue blood Republican from New York. Famous for his Cuban campaign in the heyday of American imperialism, in particular his Rough Rider regiment. He was the trust buster as I recall breaking up rich bastard monopolies in the name of competition. He is also the progenitor of one of my favorite quotes, "Walk quietly, and carry a big stick." Now what all this shit has to do with the price of tea in China is beyond fucking me.
Here's a link to some info if you need it. http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/tr26.html
Now finally I think you need to get your shit straight. Abortion has been going on in one form or another for as long as women have been having babies. Now I'm not the sharpest tool in the wood shed but I'm pretty sure that covers the era of the founding fathers. You think it might have been mentioned somewhere if the wanted it a certain way?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion
& yeah I know it's frigg'n wikipedia, but hey it's a decent write up, so I don't want to hear any...Oh wikipedia font of all user inputted blah blah blah
Finally, it's been awhile since I've posted. Welcome to the Rx.
Perhaps we can be friends.
Oh, and since I can't seem to get an answer elsewhere.... I have a Pinny account. I live in the states. If I deposit with Western Union or mail a check, am I going to have an issue? If so recommendations are welcome.
Man the air smells nice around here. That must mean that litte biotch Josey ain't around. I know I know it probably won't last long, it's just kinda nice. Almost civil even.
I understand that Paul believes that everything needs to be resolved at the local level. My point is 1/ that isn't practical in this day and age, and 2/ that isn't at all consistent with a libertarian philosophy. There is no doubt that Paul would have opposed the Federal Government's intervention in civil rights in the 1960s, and then where would this country be today? How could a libertarian support an infrastructure that denied basic rights to a person because of their race? Concerning abortion, I realize that it has been around for a long time, but I don't believe it became an issue until the 1960s, when the women's rights movement took hold. It is inconceivable that the founding fathers would have addressed an issue that was of primary concern to women, any more than they would have addressed an issue of primary concern to slaves.
As for Teddy Roosevelt, I was trying to respond to the person who labeled me a "neocon" or a "welfare state liberal". I am neither, and think that one of the reasons that we're in the mess we're in is that rather than consider the merits of each issue, people tend to choose up sides and then take their talking points from the side they've chosen. (The Democrat's reaction to Scooter Libby's clemency, and the Republican's persecution to Clinton are prime examples of this partisanship and hypocrisy.) As you point out, one would be hard pressed to put a "liberal" or "conservative" label, based on today's standards, on TR. (By the way, if Paul were ever elected, you could forget about the Government EVER trying to control monopolies or stand up for the public at the expense of corporate interests.) I do agree that the fact that he's not a lawyer is one thing that is appealing about him, though.
Concerning your Pinnacle account, either move to Canada or forget about it. They won't accept bets from the US larger than a penny.
As for Teddy Roosevelt, I was trying to respond to the person who labeled me a "neocon" or a "welfare state liberal". I am neither, and think that one of the reasons that we're in the mess we're in is that rather than consider the merits of each issue, people tend to choose up sides and then take their talking points from the side they've chosen. (The Democrat's reaction to Scooter Libby's clemency, and the Republican's persecution to Clinton are prime examples of this partisanship and hypocrisy.) As you point out, one would be hard pressed to put a "liberal" or "conservative" label, based on today's standards, on TR. (By the way, if Paul were ever elected, you could forget about the Government EVER trying to control monopolies or stand up for the public at the expense of corporate interests.) I do agree that the fact that he's not a lawyer is one thing that is appealing about him, though.
Concerning your Pinnacle account, either move to Canada or forget about it. They won't accept bets from the US larger than a penny.
Why isn't it practical "in this day and age" to solve things at a local level? How is this philosophy inconsistent with a libertarian's? Libertarians wouldn't have opposed the civil rights movement, except for the title IX bullshit and all that other stuff that gives women an unfair advantage.
exactly
we are experiencing an awakening as an entire human race
this crosses party lines which have served as a divide conquer to begin with
and some simply wont evolve and become extinct like the neanderthals
"Things would so much easier if I was a dictator" G W Bush
I meant that not EVERYTHING can be solved at the local level, which seems to be Paul's philosophy with regard not only to abortion, but things like environmental regulation, civil rights guarantees, etc. I never said that Libertarians would have opposed the civil rights movement - I said that state's rights advocates like Paul would have opposed it. He can call himself what he wants, but he is obviously not a libertarian, q.v. his views on things like gays in the military, the Libby prosecution, etc.
A Ron Paul presidency isn't going to completely get rid of big government and throw everything to the local level he's got congress to deal let's be realisitc here BUT he will do the necessary thing of slowly getting rid of some of the huge bueraucracy that our bloated federal government has become. Basically I see a Ron Paul presidency as him just going through tons of veto stamps and you know what there is nothing wrong with that. Just stop government from doing more harm than it already has done basically.
Americans have become lazy complacent slobs waiting for the federal government to help them when times go bad, I'd hate to see what will happen when/if we hit a nasty recession anytime soon. We need to rid of all this nonsense and let people know, you know what you need to make something for yourself there isn't a big brother to lend you a helping hand. Also if they weren't blind they'd also see that this helping hand in many cases is them overspending and lining the pockets of corporations and not giving people the help they need.
No other candidate is going to do this.. We need to get back to what America was founded on. Hard work and making something for yourself. Not sitting around whining that the federal government isn't giving you enough aid and holding your hand and telling you what you should and shouldn't do.
Happy 4th everybody, enjoy your liberty while it lasts.
Americans have become lazy complacent slobs waiting for the federal government to help them when times go bad, I'd hate to see what will happen when/if we hit a nasty recession anytime soon. We need to rid of all this nonsense and let people know, you know what you need to make something for yourself there isn't a big brother to lend you a helping hand. Also if they weren't blind they'd also see that this helping hand in many cases is them overspending and lining the pockets of corporations and not giving people the help they need.
No other candidate is going to do this.. We need to get back to what America was founded on. Hard work and making something for yourself. Not sitting around whining that the federal government isn't giving you enough aid and holding your hand and telling you what you should and shouldn't do.
Happy 4th everybody, enjoy your liberty while it lasts.
