LOL, Shrink.
I used to have trouble giving up A-anything suited or K-anything suited pre-flop, but I've gotten over it now.
I seem to get really bad performance out of A10, KJ, Q10, and other similar off-suited high connectors. I should fold them against preflop raises more often than I do.
I used to have trouble giving up A-anything suited or K-anything suited pre-flop, but I've gotten over it now.
I seem to get really bad performance out of A10, KJ, Q10, and other similar off-suited high connectors. I should fold them against preflop raises more often than I do.
I can guarantee you that both of them have folded both aces and kings preflop during their playing careers in tournaments, ivey and daniel that is
i actually read about it, both of them talking, it was 7 handed and only 6 make the WPT final table, one guy was shortstacked and obviously just wanted to make the TV crew, so he was in the BB and danny was in the SB and he says that he folded AA in the SB because he got to steal everyones blinds the next 6-7 hands because nobody wanted to get out 7th.....he made an extra million in chips because of that...
if you make claims like that make sure you got proof.
i actually read about it, both of them talking, it was 7 handed and only 6 make the WPT final table, one guy was shortstacked and obviously just wanted to make the TV crew, so he was in the BB and danny was in the SB and he says that he folded AA in the SB because he got to steal everyones blinds the next 6-7 hands because nobody wanted to get out 7th.....he made an extra million in chips because of that...
if you make claims like that make sure you got proof.
<TABLE class=tborder cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=thead colSpan=2>05-28-2005 12:19 AM</TD></TR><TR title="Post 1968006" vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 align=middle width=125>royalfan</TD><TD class=alt2>What he did there was essentially fold in the dark, nothing to with what he had.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Huh? Please explain that post. Folding in the dark is folding without looking at the cards. He folded, in that situation, for strategic reasons, knowing he could steal more chips without as much risk because of people wanting to make the last table.
Huh? Please explain that post. Folding in the dark is folding without looking at the cards. He folded, in that situation, for strategic reasons, knowing he could steal more chips without as much risk because of people wanting to make the last table.
Under no circumstance if you are trying to win the tournament would you do that, aside from the very complex reasoning that Negraneau allegedly used which is a very crafty angle. A worse player, myself included, would have slow played him and tried to eliminate him while the chance is there. If it doesn't work then you get some chips at least, unless you get screwed, and still get a chance to take down blinds, albeit it looks much better when you fold on the small showing sign of respect tos set up the blind stealing. Perhaps you are playing in the wrong game if you have to lay down aces to try and limpdick your way into the smallest level of payouts.
"limpdick" your way? Come on you are being ridiculous. Go read some more books and get back to us with a report. Every decent author will tell you its about getting the most equity you can out of a tournament pot. A few players out there say they play to win every time and sure its nice to say that, but there are going to be times where you would be nuts to play aggressively on the very rare chance you win a tournament, but a simple fold generates a very good chance of you moving up a spot or two in the money.
I agree its silly to argue this here. We should go over to the 2+2 forum and see how many of them laugh at people who say its never correct to fold AA. Further lets see how many of them say damn moving up a place or two, you should be about nothing but winning the whole thing. If indeed all you think tournaments are about is winning, then by all means keep playing those tier one hands even when you shouldn't be. Your fellow tournament players will thank you for the extra equity you give them.
I agree its silly to argue this here. We should go over to the 2+2 forum and see how many of them laugh at people who say its never correct to fold AA. Further lets see how many of them say damn moving up a place or two, you should be about nothing but winning the whole thing. If indeed all you think tournaments are about is winning, then by all means keep playing those tier one hands even when you shouldn't be. Your fellow tournament players will thank you for the extra equity you give them.
i was just trying to make a point about this argument that people would never fold aces.....there is an article about it in his blog where he mentions it somewhere
tough to fold them....and only reason you fold them has to be strategy, when i see people laying down AK and QQ on the button just to make the money with a pretty decent stack i get sick
when your very shortstacked your goal should be to move up every single spot you can....different story when you have chips to play with.
tough to fold them....and only reason you fold them has to be strategy, when i see people laying down AK and QQ on the button just to make the money with a pretty decent stack i get sick
when your very shortstacked your goal should be to move up every single spot you can....different story when you have chips to play with.
