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You're not going to get approved for a loan to buy all 4.

Why not try to buy 1?

On the positive side, the RE taxes, insurance, any repair/upgrade costs, marketing costs, and HOA dues are tax deductible dollar for dollar.

It's a package deal at that price. If it's less then all 4 the price goes up per.
 

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Thanks, yes.

THough over the past 18 months I have divested all of my preexisting business to three younger, well-equipped operators.

In the meantime, I have built an advertising and leads business that sends them new business, along with three different tree service operators, a pressure washing operator, a fertilizer/pest control operator and starting this next month a fencing operator and a paver firm.

My income is close to double what it was 18 months ago and I no longer physically work on service jobs. A welcome change at age 55
 

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This isn't true at all.


There are no banks that are going to give a guy a million dollars in credit with no money down. None.

Each residence will have a different address. Each residence will have different square footage, and tax information.


So you think financing a 4 unit home equals having 4 mortgages. Not trying to be rude but you aren't knowledgeable enough in this subject to tell me I'm wrong.

If you're a $20m client and you want 100% financing on an investment home it may outside of guidelines but the lender will make it work.
 

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with interest rates being as low as they are, it's not a bad thing to use other peoples' money to buy investments

if you feel you can earn more than 4%, go for it

I strongly agree with this post.

Any legitimate way you can create a positive net cash flow of even $500-800 a month contributes to a relentless compounding of positive net worth.

Many people (usually non-investors) might sniff at such a number, but if you push for much more than that from any one income stream, competing investors can undercut your project(s).

Assemble a group of say - 20 - income streams paying $800 a month (less than $200 a week) and you of course are enjoying a net income stream of $16k monthly.
 

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It's a package deal at that price. If it's less then all 4 the price goes up per.

Why wouldn't he just sell each 1 at market price? Selling a condo isn't like some complex, mentally taxing transaction that you really need to simplify the process.

Do you have an idea what the fair market value for each would be on their own?
 

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Thanks, yes.

THough over the past 18 months I have divested all of my preexisting business to three younger, well-equipped operators.

In the meantime, I have built an advertising and leads business that sends them new business, along with three different tree service operators, a pressure washing operator, a fertilizer/pest control operator and starting this next month a fencing operator and a paver firm.

My income is close to double what it was 18 months ago and I no longer physically work on service jobs. A welcome change at age 55
good for you

now we just have to address your "stolen valor".....
 
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Not really and i own four homes. Paying 3-3.5 rate and making more than double that.

No fucking brainer in more ways than one

Great, glad it works for *you*, but you said:

ANyone who doesn't hold a note or a line or credit on a property is a fool.**


The problem with your statement, is that people have different risk tolerances, and financial needs depending on their stages in life. To lump *everyone* in
the same bucket like this, is just ignorance.

Any monies that you are investing at higher rates than mortgage rates have inherently higher risks associated with them. Yeah, I can max out my credit
on all my real estate holdings (which are substantial), but I'm financially set, and am going to easily meet the goals I have in life, so I have no need
to take on any more risk than I need to. And, I really like the idea of being 100% out of debt.
 

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4 units is going to need to be a commercial loan which is a whole different set of requirements than a loan on residential property. Most of the time this is with an entirely different lending arm of a financial institution.

Can't speak to that particular deal and on the surface 170k/1.2M sounds fine but in general multi-family is similar to a lot of other asset classes out there right now in that it is becoming very frothy.

if it really is in a good neighborhood you may also need to move fast. Those REITs/private equity firms are just so well capitalized to move nowadays


Yes, you would have to get a commercial loan, so the bank will probably add up to a point for the loan...then not sure what you tax rates are where your looking chop talk, but here the property tax doubles with a commercial loan.
 

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And can someone explain these HOA fees to me?

I don't see the value .

Water, trash pick up, and landscaping. The units don't have yards. Don't see the value for over $400.

Whats to stop them from raising them to infinity?
What happens if you don't pay them?


Hoa will cover like the poster below said....basically anything on the outside is covered by hoa...you can also write all this off.
 

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Any monies that you are investing at higher rates than mortgage rates have inherently higher risks associated with them.

Yeah this is kind of an important point. Guys in here apparently have access to infinite risk-free/high-yield investment opportunities. Good for them; must be nice.
 

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I guess the question of this thread is trying to figure out how much leverage is too much leverage.

I live a pretty conservative financial life right now my Debt to income ratio is very low.

This would cause me to get out of my comfort zone.

But I have never done anything like this before and I will be the first to admit I don't know jack shit about real estate

For the most part your dti needs to be 43% or less. In some cases can go you up to 50%. Since the loan is over conforming limits it's at the discretion of the lender but 50% is the most federal regulations allow and most still won't want to go over 43%.

income/(p&i+hoi+taxes+hoi+cc debt+auto debt+whatever liabilities you have)
 

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For the most part your dti needs to be 43% or less. In some cases can go you up to 50%. Since the loan is over conforming limits it's at the discretion of the lender but 50% is the most federal regulations allow and most still won't want to go over 43%.

income/(p&i+hoi+taxes+hoi+cc debt+auto debt+whatever liabilities you have)

Are you talking after the loan or before the loan.
 

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Why wouldn't he just sell each 1 at market price? Selling a condo isn't like some complex, mentally taxing transaction that you really need to simplify the process.

Do you have an idea what the fair market value for each would be on their own?
I have no idea. Maybe he just wants to move on .
 

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I read some of this and find it pretty alarming that people are calling someone stupid for having their house paid off.

I think real estate investing is great but everyone borrowing up to their eye balls and then the market crashing like it recently did where then everyone walked away from their investment or even their primary residence is not a situation I hope our economy gets into again.
 

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For the most part your dti needs to be 43% or less. In some cases can go you up to 50%. Since the loan is over conforming limits it's at the discretion of the lender but 50% is the most federal regulations allow and most still won't want to go over 43%.

income/(p&i+hoi+taxes+hoi+cc debt+auto debt+whatever liabilities you have)

This is correct info. I'm a licensed loan officer (NMLS license). I haven't read whole thread, but a 4 unit would still be considered a SFR. FNMA and FHA will loan up to 70% on investment props. DTI is what seldom wrote.
 

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