What is the worst thing you have heard or read someone say about Obama?

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Depression anyone?

An unknown wit once said: "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury." When it comes to voting ourselves goodies from the treasury, we Americans stand near the point of no return.

Support Class Envy!I've addressed this lopsided situation before in a post on war funding, but this is a much more general discussion.

The federal government levies taxes on some of us, and it sends handouts to some of us. Some Americans pay more in taxes than they receive in handouts. I'll call them "givers." Others receive more in handouts than they pay in taxes. I'll call them "takers."

The Tax Foundation studied taxes and handouts from 1994-2004 (see the FAQ), and came to some startling conclusions. Below you'll see a diagram of their 2004 breakdown of dollars received in handouts per dollar taken in taxes. Pay special attention to the blue bars (the total handouts per dollar of taxes). Look at the bottom 3/5ths of our population. Those groups get more in handouts than they pay in taxes; they're the takers. The top 2/5ths are paying more in taxes than they get in handouts; they're the givers.

Spending per dollar of taxes

Since the American form of government (thankfully a representative republic, not a democracy) responds fairly quickly to the will of American voters, we have the ability to force our elected representatives to give us tax dollars as handouts. If our representatives refuse our demands for goodies, a majority of us can replace them with more pliable politicians.

So what happens when the takers outnumber the givers at the polls on Election Day? We hit the "tax tipping point." Since everyone gets one vote (unless ACORN is involved) regardless of their tax-to-handout ratio, the takers force the government to soak the givers. Eventually, the givers get tired of being punished for their success. The result is predictable:

Calculating how far society's top earners can be pushed before they stop (or cut back on) producing is difficult. But the incentives are easy to see. Voters who benefit from government programs will push for higher tax rates on higher earners -- at least until those who power the economy and create jobs and wealth stop working, stop investing, or move out of the country.


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The sequence is always the same. High-tax, big-spending policies force the economy to lose momentum. Then growth in government spending outstrips revenues. Fiscal and trade deficits soar. Public debt, excessive taxation and unemployment follow. The central bank tries to solve the problem by printing money. International competitiveness is lost and the currency depreciates. The system stagnates. And then a frightened electorate returns conservatives to power.

Barack Obama claims he'll give a "tax cut" to 95% of Americans (for the sake of argument, let's ignore the impossibility of doing that while also paying for his massive expansion in government spending). His magic "tax cut" for those who pay no income taxes is really a tax credit. That's a handout to the takers, funded by higher taxes on the givers. The chart above will get more lopsided, with the blue bars on the right shrinking and the blue bars on the left growing.


Redistribute Wealth!America cannot keep confiscating more and more money from the givers and sending it to the takers. There's no such thing as a free lunch. If you're one of the givers creating jobs and capital, you'll only tolerate punishment for so long before you take rational steps to reduce your vulnerability. You'll start shifting your capital away from productive uses and into tax shelters dictated by loopholes in the law. You'll cut costs by hiring fewer employees or getting rid of current employees. You might even decide to escape the punishment of the takers by closing down your business or moving it overseas to a country with friendlier tax policies.

Now multiply this scenario to include all of America's private sector, and you'll start to understand the inevitable result of a tax-and-spend policy like Barack Obama's. He believes he can tax and spend his way to prosperity, but he can't (or won't) see that he'll push our economy over the tax tipping point and into either a severe recession or an actual depression. Our current economic downturn is already worsening as Obama's victory grows more probable, and one hundred top economists recently warned of the impending disaster of Obamanomics.

Barack Obama is more than Jimmy Carter on steroids. He's about to repeat Herbert Hoover's tragically foolish response to an economic downturn. If Obama wins this election, he will drive us into a Second Great Depression.
 

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He supports infanticide, which he does.
 
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Worst thing I heard was he got his wienie washed by a queer & smoked crack while a State Senator...But I say lets not be poor sports & keep ribbing at the guy & give him a chance...Thing he changes the most will hopefully be himself.I would guess being President has a way of changing a man so lets not start ragging on the guy already.
 

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I don't like Corsi either my friend. I just think he brings up some real concerns here. I have over 30 articles on Obama in which I could post that should raise some type of suspicion about his background, ideals, etc. Over 20 articles on McCain that I can post as well. I don't give a fcuk who the author is as long as he bring something to the table thats worth looking at. For example I don't agree with Ayn Rand (read atlas shrugged) in most of her principle ideas but I think shes worth reading.

Don't feel dirty just be more open minded. Just because you vote or like someone doesn't mean you should just disregard any legimate concerns about the individual. Thats the problem with our country. We don't ask the question why.

I cap football the same way. Look at the pro's/con's, perception/reality, etc.

I'm a pretty fucking good judge of character and most people I know would attest to that. I own a restaurant in which I hire/fire every individual that comes through those doors. I'll tell you this right now something about Obama is a little off. A level of deception, secrecy is behind the man that just doesn't make feel comfortable. I've been wrong before but not often.

never doubt VOR :drink:

Dunno, VOR. Seems kinda strange to post something by that guy if you realize what a nutjob he is. He has been wrong on everything that he's ever written about. This is a guy who believes that the world is only 6,000 years old, and that dinosaurs and humans walked the earth at the same time.

Think about that for a second.

I'm not saying there are no valid criticisms about Obama to be made. I for one support the guy, but you do a disservice to the cause when you use this kind of crap instead of legitimate stuff.

Never thought I'd wander over to this forum from the NFL one, but I was curious to see what the right-wing was thinking.
 

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worst I've heard was him called "president-elect"

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OMG, that's Rev Wright in the background.

Where is Loren and TR when you need them. Another Hollywood hit becomes a prophecy.
 

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Can anybody explain to me how this is not blatant racism?

Anybody?

Most right-wingers attempt to hide their latent racism, but you guys are letting it out into the open.

I guess you deserve some credit for that...
 

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Can anybody explain to me how this is not blatant racism?

Anybody?

Most right-wingers attempt to hide their latent racism, but you guys are letting it out into the open.

I guess you deserve some credit for that...


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grow up
 

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OK, I'll work on that.

In the meantime, suppose that an actual grown-up asked you the same question. What would your response be?

Have a sense of humor, it's a gift. Self-deprecation is a sign of self-confidence, so learn to laugh at yourself and, by extension, your values and preferences.

Especially on an anonymous message board, that shouldn't be too hard to do. I have no respect for the victim-hood mentality.
 

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Have a sense of humor, it's a gift. Self-deprecation is a sign of self-confidence, so learn to laugh at yourself and, by extension, your values and preferences.

Especially on an anonymous message board, that shouldn't be too hard to do. I have no respect for the victim-hood mentality.

While I agree with what you've said here, I don't see any way that it is a response to my question.

Can you direct me to a previous post of yours, by the way, in which you exhibit self-deprecation?
 

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While I agree with what you've said here, I don't see any way that it is a response to my question.

Can you direct me to a previous post of yours, by the way, in which you exhibit self-deprecation?

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=630761

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?p=5975469#post5975469

how about two for today?

just stop with me already

and I responded to your question with absolute truth, how does that not qualify as a response to your question? I told you what I would tell somebody
 

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http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=630761

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?p=5975469#post5975469

how about two for today?

just stop with me already

and I responded to your question with absolute truth, how does that not qualify as a response to your question? I told you what I would tell somebody

There is no self-deprecation in either one of those threads.

Anyway, you seem to be equating self-deprecation with racial humor. Unless you're black, that doesn't apply here.

I guess I don't really belong over here, so I'll leave now. Chalk it up to schadenfreude...
 

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this thread was a bad idea, what good can come of it? that being said you cant attack someone your on the record as being very much against and then say "learn to laugh at yourself" thats not how it works
 

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So because he's Muslim he can't be a great president? Being Muslim is like a character flaw? hahahahaha

Pretty much anything negative one can say about Islam could also be said about Christianity.

But why hide behind it Skins and what else is he lying about?
 

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