We're Less Secure Today Because Bush Went After The Wrong Target

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During World War II, George Orwell said of England's pacifists: "Since pacifists have more freedom of action in countries where traces of democracy survive, pacifism can act more effectively against democracy than for it. Objectively, the pacifist is pro-Nazi."

To paraphrase Orwell, in this war, those who cannot stay focused on fighting the enemy are objectively pro-terrorist.
 

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Joint be careful you might hurt yourself quoting Orwell. We both know you haven't a clue about what he is talking about.


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Okay, then how about a little General Patton.

"I like when the enemy shoots at me; then I know where the bastards are and can kill them."
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wilheim:
Joint be careful you might hurt yourself quoting Orwell. We both know you haven't a clue about what he is talking about.

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Its a pity he died before the rise of the Corporate monster(so produced no comment/book about it), and only saw Facism and Communism et al.

a fascinating dude.
 

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"To paraphrase Orwell, in this war, those who cannot stay focused on fighting the enemy are objectively pro-terrorist."

I think this quote has more to agree with what Wil is saying than to try to dispute Wil's words...

Not only are we wasting time cruising in Iraq, the terrorists are laughing thier ass off watching the fireworks from somewhere else. So not only do we not get the people we need to be getting, but we also create a fertile ground for the instillment and enlistment of future terrorists......the state of feeling safer at home isn't getting any better by staying in Iraq and enraging the common public....it is only breeding more future enemies.

Sad thing about this fvcked up, useless mess is that George has painted himself into a corner, and refuses to admit that the paint is wet....I don't see this guy changing strategy and admitting he's wrong, so should he get elected come November we might as well get a few more thousand bodybags ready for 4 more years of futility in Iraq.
 

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Well, like Wil, we could be considered a bit left of center most days.

I mean, who would you rather have up in the bottom of the ninth with the bags juiced, down by one.

LEFTY Barry Bonds, or RIGHTY Mario Mendoza?

Thought so.

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How many rings does lefty Barry Bonds Have?

How many does Mario have?

Kind of proves the point substance over style anyday.
 

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"Osama misjudged Bush and the American people badly and as a result the Taliban is gone."

So the Taliban are gone are they?

US turns to the Taliban
By Syed Saleem Shahzad

KARACHI - Such is the deteriorating security situation in Afghanistan, compounded by the return to the country of a large number of former Afghan communist refugees, that United States and Pakistani intelligence officials have met with Taliban leaders in an effort to devise a political solution to prevent the country from being further ripped apart.

The backdrop to the first meeting is an ever-increasing escalation in the guerrilla war being waged against foreign troops in Afghanistan. Small hit-and-run attacks are a daily feature in most parts of the country, while face-to-face skirmishes are common in the former Taliban stronghold around Kandahar in the south.

According to people familiar with Afghan resistance movements, the one that has emerged over the past year and a half since the fall of the Taliban is about four times as strong as the movement that opposed Soviet invaders for nearly a decade starting in 1979.

The key reason for this is that the previous Taliban government - which is dispersed almost intact in the country after capitulating to advancing Northern Alliance forces without a fight - is backed by the most powerful force in Afghanistan: clerics and religious students.

For centuries, these people were the most respected segment of Afghan society, and before 1979 they never participated in politics. On the contrary, their role was one of reconciliation in conflicts. During the Afghan resistance movement against the USSR, things changed, and clerics threw their weight behind the mujahideen struggle, but, with a few exceptions, such as Maulana Yunus Khalis, they were not in command.

With the withdrawal of the Soviets and the emergence of the Taliban in the early 1990s, though, the situation once again changed. The Taliban, taking advantage of the power struggles among bitterly divided militias in Kabul, consolidated themselves into an effective political movement led by clerics and in 1996 seized power in Kabul. A part of their success also lay in the fact that initially Afghans, especially Pashtuns who make up the majority of the country, were reluctant to take up the gun against clerics.

Now, in the renewed guerrilla war against foreign troops, it is the clerics who are calling the shots. For instance, Hafiz Rahim is the most respected cleric in the Kandahar region, and he commands all military operations from the sanctuary of the mountainous terrain.

The US forces have employed maximum air support and advanced technology in an attempt to curtail attacks, but without the help of local Afghan forces they are unable to track down Hafiz Rahim, who to date has targeted US convoys scores of times. The United States has admitted a few deaths, while the Taliban claim they have killed many more than the official numbers state. For funds, the Taliban use money looted from the central bank before they abandoned Kabul, estimated in excess of US$110 million, in addition to money received from Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda.

At the same time, famed warlord Gulbbudin Hekmatyar has joined the resistance after returning from exile in Iran. His Hezb-i-Islami Afghanistan (HIA) is the most organized force in Afghanistan, and its participation has added real muscle to the resistance. Many top slots in the Kabul administration are occupied by former HIA members who, although they were once anti-Taliban, are loyal to the Islamic cause and anti-US. Also, several provincial governors and top officials are former HIA commanders. They are suspect in the eyes of the Americans, but because of their huge political clout it is impossible to remove them.

With this groundswell of support - even if in places it is only passive - and with Kabul's influence restricted to the capital, the Americans and their allies will remain vulnerable targets, let alone be in a position to restore any form of law and order. It is in situations like this, argue most experts on Afghanistan, that traditionally insurrections begin in the Afghan army against foreign administrators.



http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/EF14Ag01.html


If Bush had finished the job in Afghanistan before getting bogged down in Iraq I would have a lot more respect for the moron. As it is can you see the American people agreeing to an all out war in Afghanistan if the Taliban get back in power and make Osama foreign secretary?
 

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